Did They Pinkie Swear?

The Steubenville rape case has been rife with controversy since August.   When the rumor of deals struck by the prosecution surfaced, they were quickly dismissed by the Attorney General’s office.   “We’ve made no deals with anyone,” was the response to the question of deals; however today Attorney General Mike Dewine fessed up that indeed the three individuals were given immunity from prosecution in exchange for their testimony.  In all three letters the state committed to not prosecute.  Perhaps my decoder ring is different than everyone else’s, or I simply do not understand the English language, but that sounds like a “deal” to me.   How is NOT filing charges not a deal?

The special prosecutors  agreed to accept testimony against the two defendants in lieu of  no charges being filed against the three who testified.  Color me perplexed, but isn’t that a DEAL?   So, I looked it up just to make sure I knew what I was talking about and lo and behold – a deal is an “agreement entered into by two or more parties for their mutual benefit”.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t immunity from prosecution technically mean they struck a “DEAL”?

People generally find it offensive when officials utilize the use of “word salad” in an effort to explain away behavior.  I’ll even go so far out on my limb to state that these deals/immunity discussions qualify as word salad.
WTRF 7 News Sports Weather – Wheeling Steubenville

 

In letters from Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine’s office addressed to each student’s lawyer, the state committed to not prosecuting Evan Westlake, Anthony Craig and Mark Cole, three witnesses for the prosecution.  <–DEAL

But DeWine said on Thursday his office had made no deal with any of the witnesses involved in the case. <–WORD SALAD

“We have offered nothing, made no promises to any witness in this case. … No deals have been cut with anybody,” DeWine told WTOV television in comments confirmed by his spokesman. <–WORD SALAD 

DeWine further went on to state that it is not the Attorney General’s  job  to try this case in social media, the real media or to respond to rumors.   His office is focused on what they find and what the facts are — even though three individuals testified under oath about the use of a minor in material containing nudity.  Fact.   He asked that the public at large please call the tipline if they have any information about the case, but I cannot help but wonder if the kids who aren’t talking at Big Red are doing so because they were ALLEGEDLY told not to as ALLEGED in this forum post.

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218 Comments

  1. Wayne Borean

    Why doesn’t this surprise me.

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  2. Guy with a Thought

    As someone said here earlier, these officials really are underestimating the public’s intelligence when we have people like you (and many others) listening, recording, comparing everything they say.

    Books will be written, and lawsuits are probably inevitable. Yet so often these officials and attorneys keep saying contradictory things – as if no one but the same small town folk are paying attention.

    I’ve read some great posts on your blog and other places today. It’s comforting to know really smart people who know how the law works are paying close attention.

    Keep up the great work

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  3. zane mckenzie

    I watched that video that did that guy say they could be more charges in any are needed He better have a word with Jefferson County Sheriff Fred Abdalla because he said whats been reported in loads of newspapers “He then told reporters that no more suspects would be charged in the rape case involving members of Steubenville High School’s football team”

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  4. Cricket

    After looking at the who’s related to who graph on BHTYT I could see that other Person in leadership positions is related and wonder how AG office justified these actions. Assuming they just wanted it out of their hair never imagining what would become of it all. Is it possible Dewine didn’t know the. Terms agreed on until things exploded. What a shame. Believe the boys are young and regardless of what they have been a part of they have to be counseled (mandatory) among things in order to hopefully not repeat the behavior and function in society. Can’t seem to figure out if the high school does drug testing. Another shame if they don’t.

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  5. Elliot N

    AG Office looks beyond foolish on this. The boss goes on camera talking about how this case is a “priority” and he wasnt even in the loop with his own people.And rest assured Defense will use the “deals” to impune the three witnesses and without DNA or any video it just may add up to “reasonable doubt”. Dont blame the cops for this. Dont blame the Sherrif. This is on the AGs Office.

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    1. maddgramma

      You are absolutely correct Elliott. I can see now that the two boys who are charged will get off on this because of “Reasonable Doubt.” That said, I will continue praying for the young girl and hope she continues to grow from this. May God Bless “Jane Doe”

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  6. KM

    This case just keeps getting worse and worse. I keep thinking it can’t, surely, sink any lower. But then it reliably does.

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  7. BooBoo

    I still would like to know what he means at the end of that video saying that they are not actually charged with rape but that the rape is just the underlying reason for the charge of delinquency. Just stinks to high heaven and makes me believe that these boys are going to get a slap on the hand with time served.

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  8. Elliot N

    We all will be praying for her maddgramma and I am beyond disgusted at the AGs Office. How on earth can the boss not know that his own people had reached “deals” and put it in writing? In a case that is being watched around the world? The important point for the young victim to remember is that she is ALREADY a “winner” regardless of what happens in trial. David beat Goliath before he ever used the slingshot because he stood up to him as our young victim has and just look around the World at this attention to “victims rights” that has been jump started. She is a “winner” every single day in my book.

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    1. prinnie (Post author)

      She absolutely is a winner and this case has brought much awareness to victim blaming and rape culture, as well as empowering people to hold those in power accountable.

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  9. Cricket

    At what point can a higher court intervene? Hesitate to say this but sometimes I wish there were a blog or forum where all of the Jane Does could list the name of their attacker. Kind of like the child predator lists. Ofcourse cases have to be prosecuted right first. Just disappointing. Although I can’t imagine a punishment greater than having done something so awful and it being shared with the entire country.

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  10. blackcats

    I really tried to give the benefit of the doubt on this aspect of the case because to not do so was just too horrible a thought to hold. As each layer of the onion is pealed back, there is another equally horrendous layer exposed. If this were limited to Steubenville it would be bad enough, but it is pretty clear it is not.

    I haven’t felt this betrayed since President Nixon. Yes, I’m that old and the sickening feelings this case generates are disgustingly similar.

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  11. JD#13

    It seems the local LE as well as the officials at the state level are spending more time back pedaling and attempting to now cover their proverbial asses than they ever spent investigating this crime or seeking justice. Is the entire State of Ohio a giant good ole boys’ club?? Now that international attention has reached their “dirty little secrets” in this town everyone is scrambling to save their reputation.

    You are correct Elliot N, this young girl has already won. A tiny little girl from a tiny little town in tiny West Virginia has received support and love from all over the world. She has far more courage than anyone who participated in trying to “break” her beautiful spirit. The boys who violated her, the people who stood by and watched or cheered or laughed, those who shared this disgusting documentation on social media, those in authority who did nothing to help or seek justice for a victim — take a lesson from one small girl. She is strong and brave. She is respected world-wide. She will survive and walk through life knowing you were all unable to break her spirit or crush her future hopes and dreams. She is far more powerful than any of you.

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    1. Pete Basil

      Perfectly spoken JD#13!!!

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      1. JD#13

        Thank you, Pete.

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        1. Phalanx928

          Well done JD#13!

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    2. Alice

      Very well said, JD#13. As long as the creeps of this town stop the “business as usual”, gangster lifestyle, we can all be winners. I really would love to see some justice though. It would feel good to know that the justice system is working, when so much in the government seems to be broken.

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    3. Chupi

      Vert well done JD#13.

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    4. KM

      So well said. She’s really come out of this so well, so impressively. And the aggressors have appalled the whole world. They’ll have to live with that fact now. After reading the transcript of that video (I searched because after Nodianos’ lawyer and the Sheriff’s statements, I began to think I was going mad) : http://prinniefied.com/vb/upload/showthread.php?10-Transcript-of-the-Michael-Nodianos-Video I can only say that I find that deeply satisfying. For once, people are truly reaping what they have sown.

      I was taking my son to school this week and I passed a group of teenagers. They were all talking about this case, they were all using a range of very colourful, extremely nasty obscenities to describe the boys – and they were all saying they thought the girl was “a f***ing heroine, man!” They mentioned the girl in India, too. A bunch of normal adolescents, with normal, healthy reactions to sickening sexual violence. It’s soothing, after reading the stuff coming out of Steubenville.

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      1. prinnie (Post author)

        It is amazing to me that this case has made its way around the world, but it is very important discussion — rape culture, victim blaming and having faith that kids are going to stand up for what is right if something like this happens in front of them.

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    5. KM

      Beautifully put.

      A friend teaches sociology, and she used this situation as a teaching tool last week. One of the girls in her class said it was like the Hunger Games – someone was being abused, and treated as less than human, and then she turned right round and turned it onto those who were doing that to her, and started a revolution. And the class all agreed; people are now talking and questioning and educating on this subject. Other girls will be safe, because boys will be scared that they’ll face what these ones have. People are challenging misogyny, and victim-blaming, and the prevalence of rape and sexual assault in our culture.

      Those boys treated her as less than human, and now kids in a London classroom, thousands of miles away, are comparing her to Katniss – while the boys are internationally reviled. Whatever happens legally, she has already won, and with absolute completeness.

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      1. prinnie (Post author)

        Hurray for her for turning around and using her voice. My hope is that other girls will find the courage to do the same.

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        1. KM

          Have you seen that Savannah Dietrich is using a Facebook page to rally support for her, too? She’s planning to attend the next rally in Steubenville in person. Another truly remarkable young woman.

          I really do think things are shifting. People have had enough.

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  12. Bad2daBone

    Finally some sense in the midst of all of this finger pointing! It looks like the AG, in a rush to defend his SPs, got caught without all the facts. Did the SPs have no other choice than to offer immunity in order to move the case forward? At the beginning of the investigation, I seem to remember that there was only one person who went to the police voluntarily. Were the other two witnesses HIS alibi of non-involvement? This just leaves me with more questions about the initial investigation and the case that was handed over to the SPs.

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  13. Truthisoutthere

    Is the FBI overseeing this investigation or not? I’ve lost track.

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    1. KM

      I don’t believe so. Though I read they immediately asked for FBI assistance over the website hack. Good to know they have their priorities in order, if that’s true.

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  14. Eliza

    Every person who comes out to speak seems to just muck it up before the last person spoke. It is pretty obvious at this point that the 2 charged will get a slap on the wrist and those witnesses that incriminated themselves on the stand on 10.13.12 will walk as well. This is just getting insane.

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  15. blah

    I remember hearing rumors of immunity from the very start of this case before Hanlin recused herself. Where there is smoke…

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  16. blah

    Also, Hanlin didnt recuse herself on the april incident! I bet the AG’s office doesnt know about the april incident/alleged rape. I think it would be beneficial to the prosecution and the defense if it was known that the names of the perpetrators were the same witnesses or defendants in this case.

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    1. Sera

      wow! really? that’s crazy.

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  17. texxs

    It’s not “Word Salad” It’s just lying. It’s okay to call them liars. They know they are liars. Police and prosecutors believe it’s part of their duty to lie. They lie often and they lie well.

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  18. Trailhiker
    1. jdinohio

      Hmmmm… wonder how that will be covered up? Let’s see… “they were lying face down, so they cannot be identified. No harm, no foul. play ball!”

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      1. prinnie (Post author)

        They need to identify those girls and speak to them. Did they even know they were being photographed?

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    2. KM

      England and Wales have the tightest libel laws in the world. The Daily Mail have lawyers coming out of their ears. If they published that, they are certain it is true.

      How can anyone claim “never to have seen in their life” photos on their own phone? And why have genuine, serious efforts to identify those girls not been made?

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  19. like it - or not

    This case has gained national/international attention there is no greater punishment then it being shared with the whole world.I am not surprised of how things are turning out on the local level.
    My heart is and has been going out to Jane Doe since the beginning. My Prayers are with her and her family she is one strong young lady.

    The World and Country is watching and remember the Wolf these eyes feed will win.
    Let’s all remember this quote:
    “You can not escape moral judgment through legal loop holes”

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  20. Bruce

    I would assume–AND PLEASE SOMEONE CHECK THIS FOR ME- that limited immunity for testifying is conditional. EXAMPLE- If your testimony, or part there of, is false and can be proven, then the immunity is null and void.

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    1. John Doe #6

      That’s essentially correct. Also, material false statements made while negotiating the deal can nullify the immunity.

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  21. Phalanx928

    Hey Prin!

    First, awesome work, and please KEEP IT UP!

    Second, it seems Frank Bruzzese has posted the following on his Facebook page that is, in turn, from Hanlin’s Facebook page:

    “I am aware of Attorney General Mike DeWine’s statement to the media that no offers of immunity were made by his office to any individuals or witnesses in the pending sexual assault case in Jefferson County. I would like to add that, at no time, did the Jefferson County Prosecutor’s Office offer immunity or plea offers to any individual or witness.” – Jane Hanlin

    So, is this yet another screwup, and this time at the AG office?

    Third, there is a thread over at the Kent State University Facebook page with about 90 comments. Frank Bruzzese started the thread. Now it seems there is a person who is trying to intimidate people by saying he/she has taken screenshots of the entire thread so that if Kennan is denied his scholarship then his family will have people to sue. The posters name Mark Delanube, and it seems he/she joined Facebook about 3 days ago.

    It looks like you will have plenty of additional material to add to an already impressive portfolio.

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    1. WTF?

      Ok….Stop the presses. Didn’t Jane Hanlin just make an official statement to local media saying that she was unable to discuss this case until it it over due to her “ethical obligations”?! Frank Bruzzese posted her statement on his FB page with the caption “I stand with Jane”. How can she now go on FB and make a statement especially since she is so concerned with her ethical duties? **cough**

      This just keeps getting more and more bizarre.

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    2. prinnie (Post author)

      They should get ready to sue the internet then because EVERYONE is talking about this case. When I was sued, it is my opinion that they figured if they used the power of the judicial system it would shut me up. It did while I was actively being sued, but I had every intention of fighting their SLAPP suit to the bitter end. Mr. Delanube can screenshot all he wants. People are entitled to an opinion. Opinions aren’t always pleasant, but they should be protected.

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      1. WTF?

        Prinnie……You were never REALLY sued. As I recall, they couldn’t even locate you to serve you. I guess that cashier at Dollar General wasn’t the goldmine of information after all. LMAO Where is this Kent State/Bruzzese thread? I can’t find it.

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        1. Phalanx928

          Hi! Prinnie if it’s ok I’ll post how to find the thread at KSU. If you need to delete this post to protect yourself I understand.

          Go the the Kent State University Facebook page. Look for Recent Posts By Others. Scroll down and you’ll find the thread it was started by Frank Bruzzese and it now has something like 109 comments.

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          1. prinnie (Post author)

            On my way now.

          2. prinnie (Post author)

            https://www.facebook.com/kentstate/posts/10151445315554845

            Frank Bruzzeseposted toKent State University
            Tuesday at 9:54am ·

            TO: Kent State University Facebook Page Administrators:

            Comments made by people on this page, regarding Charlie Keenan are based on false information and are:

            (1) wrongfully accusing a young honor student of gang raping a girl; and,
            (2) attempting to convince Kent State University to revoke his scholarship and college acceptance.

            As a result of the false statements contained on this page and other social media, this 17-year old boy and his family are being victimized by an avalanche of threats to their lives.

            Further, a social media “lynch mob” is calling for vigilante justice and calling for Kent State University to prohibit Charlie Keenan’s admission to college and the revocation of a justly-earned scholarship.

            Charlie Keenan is demonstrably and irrefutably innocent. He was not even in the same town where the alleged rape occurred. The Attorney General of the State of Ohio can confirm his innocence. The Attorney General [and his Special Prosecutors] have investigated the case and are prosecuting the alleged perpetrators. However, certain individuals have engaged in a relentless firestorm of false accusations, which have succeeded in inciting a viral mob mentality. The result is the threat of vigilante justice in our home town…..all centered on a “get Charlie,” fervor.

            Facebook’s policy is to protect children with safeguards and prevent bullying, intimidation and harassment. Its policy prohibits the hate speech, threats and incitement to violence. Facebook’s policy prohibits misleading and malicious statements.

            I respectfully request that you immediately investigate this matter, until you are convinced that Charlie Keenan is an innocent honorable young man who is victimized by cyber terrorists who use Facebook as their tool.

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        2. prinnie (Post author)

          I was never served – true. LOL @ Dollar General and I shopped there every other day. I just sit and shake my head at all that. LOL As stressful as those times were, I am glad that I can look back and have a good laugh about it all now.

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        3. crap!

          What Dollar general ? lol. My daughter works at one.

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      2. KM

        I woke up to 3 posts on Facebook about it today. And I heard kids talking about it in the street midweek.

        None of us even live in the States. It’s all over the English-speaking world at this point.

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  22. pinnet501

    The Intelligencer / Wheeling News-Register October 12, 2012

    By Tyler Reynard – “Teens Face Another Hearing”

    “One of the witnesses admitted to recording a video of one of the alleged incidents, while another said he used his cell phone to capture a photograph of the alleged victim while she was nude. The prosecution announced the only reason those two boys were not charged as well was because investigators were unable to recover the evidence from their phones.

    “Do you understand how lucky you are?” Assistant Attorney General Marianne Hemmeter asked of one witness”.

    This is what the public was given during court proceedings… we need the court transcripts.

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    1. prinnie (Post author)

      I agree, pinnet. I am FLOORED at how much they did not share with the public.

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  23. pinnet501

    The article also added:

    “Lipps ruled that the prosecution met its burden in proving probable cause on all the charges against the defendants, other than the kidnapping count. That ruling, however, technically has no bearing on future hearings nor the state’s ability to prosecute the defendants on all charges.”

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  24. C. Morgan

    I have been reading countless articles, blogs, social media on this case for, & I regret, only a few weeks now. My heart truly goes out to the victim. I commend this blog for shedding light upon.
    My concern like many, is the alleged corruption of the local legal system, in particular this case. Seems a lot of double standards when athletes are involved. I fear true justice may not be served.
    I came across the below excerpts from an article (Apr ’11).
    Please understand, I in no way mean to compare, pit, or weigh either of the 2 cases… both heinous in their own rights, both causing longterm struggles for the victims to overcome & healing (I can only hope).
    Given both are regarding local rapes of minors, yes one was considerably younger by an unknown adult. But my point in presenting, is the attitude of the powers that be, towards the (now convicted) rapist, at the time of trial. A vast contrast to current agendas, legal action, attitudes, & comments. Or at least in my opinion.

    [ Mark P. Higgins Jr., 27, was sentenced on April 2 to life in prison without parole by Jefferson County Common Pleas Judge David Henderson after a jury convicted Higgins of two counts of raping an 8-year-old girl in April 2011.
    County Assistant Prosecutor Jeffrey Bruzzese said Higgins forcibly pulled the girl’s pants down and then used threats to try to conceal the crime. Bruzzese believes there were ~more acts of sexual abuse than those contained in the indictment.~

    Bruzzese countered, saying, “(Higgins) has already proven he can’t be a productive member of society. Unfortunately, the death sentence is not an option. He is worse than a murderer. The hurt will never go away.”

    {Upon plaintiff apology & plea of mercy…}
    (Judge) Henderson disagreed, saying,” Although you said you are sorry to the court. I do not see any genuine remorse.”

    A videotaped confession made by Higgins to Jefferson County Sheriff Fred Abdalla was played to the jury during the trial.
    Abdalla said he was pleased with the Higgins’ sentence.
    “That is where he deserves to be.” ]

    http://www.hsconnect.com/page/content.detail/id/572048/Man-sentenced-to-life-in-rape-of-8-year-old-girl.html?nav=5010 (article quotes pulled from)

    http://www.heraldstaronline.com/page/content.detail/id/581435/Resignation-topped-April-area-news.html?nav=5010 (some of same above articles, but other Interesting references to city’s ethical issues & sports glorifying).

    http://slightlyopinionated.com/frank-bruzzese-statement
    (defends investigation & Jane Hanlin)

    http://radionewz.net/2013/01/steubenville-attorney-frank-bruzzese-goes-to-facebook-and-gets-accused-of-cronyism/frank-speaks-up-for-jane/comment-page-1/
    (more excuses for JH & the “facts,” of how case was handled. Also noted brilliant & relevant legal explanations in comments feed)

    http://pastebin.com/VNhNfLpV
    (Detailed narrative of the (alleged) Buzzese empire creation & Hanlin connection.)

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  25. pinnet501

    In another The Herald-Star. article… Teen Rape Case Moves Forward
    October 13, 2012… this article informs the public by adding …

    “Three fellow Steubenville High School students testified about the incident. Lipps advised the teens of their rights not to incriminate themselves through testimony. Two of the teens had attorneys present when they were testifying.”

    There was five hours of testimony that day.

    This is information made available by different reporters to the public as the testimony proceedings accrued.

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    1. prinnie (Post author)

      Isn’t it amazing what was reported on by local media? Their information now seems seriously lacking in facts and they wonder why the local community there had very little faith in them to report the news instead of cherry-pick what they would present.

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  26. pinnet501

    Sorry for the typo …. accued should be occurred.

    Now there’s more on our plates to consider…. if this article is true… found to be in the transcripts……. what say you?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260542/EXCLUSIVE-Pictures-cellphone-TWO-MORE-girls-semi-naked-face-basement-16-year-old-raped-Ohio-football-stars.html

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    1. jdinohio

      Has there ever been reports of girls missing in the area? This is all so bizarre.

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    2. prinnie (Post author)

      It makes me more confident in my previous suspicions and observations is what it does.

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      1. JD#13

        I wholeheartedly concur, Prinnie.

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    3. BooBoo

      I wonder if any of those pics are of the April victim?

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      1. prinnie (Post author)

        One would HOPE that LE attempted to identify the girls in the pictures and a question that should be posed to local LE. Did the owner of the phone identify the girls, and did they in turn speak to the girls or their parents.

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  27. J.F. Carpenter

    Immunity from State prosecution does not confer immunity from Federal Prosecution. Mr. DeWine is in a pickle. The Bureau of Criminal Investigation is part of his agency and the BCI investigator first sent failed to disclose a professional relationship with the Prosecuting Attorney. Ohioans should be questioning Mr. DeWine about that.

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    1. John Doe #6

      A state prosecutor doesn’t have the _authority_ to grant immunity from federal prosecution, which is a little different. If a prosecutor oversteps his authority by offering a blanket immunity in exchange for testimony, courts have found that the offer is binding. It’s not up to the witness to figure out who’s authorized to offer what and courts haven’t been friendly to prosecutors who use deceptive offers of immunity to get testimony.

      The devil’s in the details here. What exactly was said in the three letters, and what was said during the negotiating of the un-deal? That would be my first question for DeWine.

      And of course any discovery of dishonesty on the part of the witnesses, either in negotiating the immunity offer or in their testimony, could nullify the offer.

      Of course I don’t know what’s actually gone on here but I’ll say this: if I was involved in a prosecution and I really, really wanted to make sure a particular person or persons got away uncharged, this is what I would do: draft a vague letter offering immunity in very broad terms, without mentioning any specific charges. If possible I’d probably arrange to have as little paper trail behind that letter as possible, too. Ask some clerk to “draw up a letter saying X” without too much detail and trust that they’ll do it without asking any questions.

      That’s what I would do if I were a dishonest scumbag, anyway. And if I didn’t care about what it would do to my career. It would have to be really, really important to me.

      I’m not suggesting any of that as respects this actual case, of course. Just my humble opinion on how it might go, in some imaginary and more dishonest jurisdiction.

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      1. prinnie (Post author)

        That’s what I would do if I were a dishonest scumbag, anyway. And if I didn’t care about what it would do to my career. It would have to be really, really important to me.

        LMAO

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      2. Leigh LaFon

        So, the defense attorneys are claiming a deal was made. The prosecution continues to argue there was no guarantee of immunity.

        Based on what informed commenters are suggesting, it seems both defense and prosecution may be relieved if and when a higher court rules that immunity must be granted because a prosecutor subtly hinting that “things will go better for you if you testify to what you just admitted to us today” can be taken either way.

        I am guessing that could have happened in this case, leading to the conflicting statements about deals being made. It could also be a way for a prosecutor to keep the lid on any new, more explosive details from emerging. If prosecutors get them to sign a statement alleging less than the complete story, they might easily intimidate the witnesses into thinking they will lose implied immunity and open themselves to even perjury charges if they strengthen their accounts later.

        The waters are so very muddy in Steubenville.

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      3. Tracy

        The International Business Times quotes directly from the letters sent to the three boys, saying each witness “may not have conducted himself in a responsible or appropriate manner, his behavior did not rise to the level of any criminal conduct … Therefore, we will not prosecute your client for his actions on August 11- 12, 2012.” Immunity is given for only that event, on that date. So, no one has any immunity from charges that may come from the two potential new victims whose photos were also found on one of the cell phones.

        According to the Daily Mail when questioned about those photos at the probable cause hearing in October, the boy denied any knowledge of the photos.

        Walter Madison: “There is a photograph here of a woman on the same carpet as the carpet in X’s basement. Do you recall that photo on your phone?”

        Witness: “No sir. I have never seen those pictures in my life.”

        Lastly, a recent check on the Daily Mail website shows they have now picked up the story of the 14 yr. old who filed rape charges in October from an April house party in Stubenville. The report states that federal agents are investigating this incident. They tried contacting the family of the 14 yr. old victim and were told by her step-father that their lawyer advised them not to say anything. Her attorney? Bob Fitzsimmons. Who is also advising 16 yr. old Jane Doe.

        Curiouser and curiouser….

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        1. KM

          But… they freely admit to taping a minor being raped and/or sexually assaulted, and then sharing that footage with others later. They also failed to report a felony in progress.

          “may not have conducted himself in a responsible or appropriate manner, his behavior did not rise to the level of any criminal conduct …”

          So how can that be true?

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          1. prinnie (Post author)

            They conducted themselves in a criminal as far as I’m concerned. Of course, that is merely an opinion but one that is shared by many. I think that is part of the outrage as well as how many kids saw what was going on that night and NOT ONE OF THEM STEPPED IN TO STOP IT.

          2. KM

            This is the thing about the whole mess. To anyone normal, it’s unfathomable. And I do wonder if the attitude among Steubenville kids has shifted since that video was widely seen. The boys in it will be identifiable at once to the kids at the school. They will know what really happened now, and straight from the mouths of those involved, too. You’d have to hope that kids and parents alike have had a rethink about what the hell is going on, and how safe their own girls really are, with individuals like that in their midst. And if I were a parent of a kid there, I’d be pulling them out unless and until those at that party/sending those tweets/on that video were removed. I wouldn’t feel confident in my own child’s emotional, moral or physical safety, with that sort of company, and with those attitudes from those charged with their care. If you can’t even trust the school to protect the interests of a gang rape victim, what can you trust them with? Certainly not your babies.

  28. jdinohio

    BIZARRE!

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  29. Elliot N

    JD#13 Well said! Our young victim has more guts and character than any of those “men” who objectified her.

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  30. lakindo

    After reading the Daily Mail article. After having my kids threatened and being told by school officials it wasn’t a “viable threat” and then finding out it was very specific. After reading an article with Mike McVey where he says absolutely nothing. My faith in Steubenville City Schools is shot and I am seriously considering whether not they are the right fit for my children. Obviously this has been mishandled. Obviously, at the very least, school officials knew about and just chose not to take it seriously until the attention was on them. I have had enough

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    1. KM

      Can I just say how deeply sorry I am for all the decent parents and kids in Steubenville? I’m a mother myself, and if our (also very small) community were dealing with something like this, I would be beside myself.

      I do hope that there is an effort to find new candidates to stand as Sheriff and Prosecutor. The failures in democracy do seem to be partly that those roles are uncontested. I also hope some locals band together to offer some kind of support to the victim and her family, because the parents have said others are keeping their kids away from her, and she has suffered ostracism at school. That is so desperately wrong and unfair, now the evidence as to what happened to her is really out there. She needs to have the wagons circle her, and her parents. One of the most sickening things about this whole mess was that those first to know of it protected the boys, and not her. I really, really hope others in the area try to redress that now.

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  31. lakindo

    While I feel extremely sympathetic, my main concern is now for the children as well. Maybe my anger is becoming misdirected, but I am tired of the “powers that be” in the school system seemingly pointing fingers at each other. It’s time for them to start talking and start talking now. I am not psyched to see people lose their jobs but there are questions that need answered.

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    1. CNN

      lakindo…..

      Mark my words, unless hell freezes over the only dialogue that you will see on these matters coming from the school has already happened—-through Mike McVey. He has stated that the BOE is the only mouthpiece on the subject of Reno and that they will only be available to answer questions during their regualr sessions. Read between the lines:

      The school has no intention of addressing Reno’s actions or their diciplinary code. They know very well that members of their local community will not show up at a board meeting and start to openly question Reno’s actions– it would be far too dangerous personally and professionally in that town to do so. Further, based on the schools/Reno’s ongoing relationship with the local media, it is highly unlikely that WTOV9 or the Herald Star will take it upon themselves to ask such touchy questions after all the dust settles.

      The only way that the BOE will be forced to show their dirty hands is if a major news outlet shows up at the next meeting. Steubenville’s a gambling town, and the BOE is betting that this will not happen.

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  32. BeanaG.

    I.just.can’t.get.over.this. I cannot believe in this day and age something like this is being ‘hushed’ up. I cannot believe any police department or AG’s office would even TRY to hush this up. Secrets come out nowadays folks, and whoever is in the path is going to be flattened by good, wholesome, caring people. That ENTIRE town is corrupt, and I would never ever raise my children in such a place. Everyone keeps passing the buck, blaming others, not telling the truth. Makes me ILL. If I had a child that played football against that evil town, I would have him stand up and boycott any game against them. Thank you thank you prinnie for keeping this story alive. God bless that sweet girl, and possibly (horribly) other little girls that have lost their innocence to these monsters, and the entire town that harbors them. FOR SHAME.

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  33. Leigh LaFon

    The reason kids have no respect for authority in Steubenville is because the authorities are not worthy of respect. The party boys in the video had complete confidence they would get away with their crimes. They clearly did not believe the victim, their parents, or anyone in authority would ever dare to hold them to account. Now, the town is outraged about outside “vigilante” justice, but that international exposure is only due to the enormous gap left unfilled by responsible authorities and parents. The behavior of the coach and the assistant coaches, along with that of the school administration, is utterly outrageous, and I think it goes a long way toward explaining why witnesses would not voluntarily come forward. It is systemic from the homes involved to the school administration to the law enforcement and judiciary. Of course, the town can try to place blame Anonymous and bloggers for deterring witnesses, but that will fall flat with anyone paying attention to the way the town enabled athletes to assume that entitlement to protection. The focus should remain on the adults in authority every bit as much as the “rape crew.” If the culture of rape enabling remains intact, it may well happen again, with a new group of Steubenville’s hero worshipped athletes. It is not enough to see justice done for a few players if there is no institutional change.

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    1. KM

      Yeah, that was my feeling. They believed they could act with total impunity, and until outsiders got involved, that was actually fairly accurate. And as a lot of the locals commenting indicate, what’s really made too many angry isn’t what happened. It’s that outsiders dare to question it, or them.

      Those are some seriously effed up priorities, when you have a brutalised young girl to consider.

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  34. BooBoo

    Did anyone notice in that daily mail article it says…

    “They texted the alleged victim and encouraged her to come before heading to the first of the night’s party houses.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260542/EXCLUSIVE-Pictures-cellphone-TWO-MORE-girls-semi-naked-face-basement-16-year-old-raped-Ohio-football-stars.html#ixzz2HhcJLhEX

    So this was in fact premeditated. They planned on her being there. I know it had been said that she was set up but now this is proof. A witness testified to them texting her to come to the party.

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    1. JD#13

      Great point, BooBoo. I did notice that when I read the article.

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    2. KM

      No, I missed that. It absolutely does support that claim by Anonymous, yes. As does the presence of other images on the phone.

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  35. BooBoo

    Looks like Madison filed to have the venue changed, close the court to public and media and a continuance per WTOV9.

    “By NEWS9
    JEFFERSON COUNTY, Ohio —

    Court officials in Jefferson County have confirmed that a defense attorney has filed three separate motions on behalf of his client, a juvenile accused of raping a teenage girl.

    Walter Madison filed motions for a change of venue, a continuance of the trial and to close the courtroom to the public and the media. ”

    http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/defense-attorney-motions-filed-steubenville-rape-c/nTtDW/

    Oh and looks news 9 is now reporting in the same article that the witnesses did get letters stating they would not be charged. Day late and 9 dollars short News 9

    As for the venue change it makes no sense being as there is no jury trial in juvy cases and the same judge would follow the trial where ever it goes.

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    1. Leigh LaFon

      As to “a deal or no deal,” made by prosecutors, it is hard to tell the corruption from the incompetence!

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      1. John Doe #6

        Never attribute to incompetence that which can be explained by enlightened self-interest.

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  36. Bad2daBone

    Not to change the subject but it looks like those commenters on the HS who slammed them for their lack of wrestling stats did their job. Kudos to them:

    https://www.heraldstaronline.com/page/content.detail/id/581931/High-school-wrestling.html?nav=5012

    The article is posted as the 10th….right. OVAC championships are next week and state starts in February. Will these two witnesses be wrestling?

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  37. Atticus Finch

    The following tweet was sent the day or two after the incident: “You supposedly get raped and then you tweet happy shit”. While this was not sent as a direct message it was tweeted to all the followers of a partucular person. Now lets just say how insensitive this tweet is to the victim and imagine how much worse this tweet is if hypothetically speaking the person who sent it was hypothetically speaking imediate family of ?????????????? The answer is known.

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    1. KM

      Whoever tweeted this is a thoroughly disgusting human being.

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  38. AlexBella

    Wow. I live in KY and only heard of this case on the UK site Daily Mail about a week ago. I wish I had heard about it sooner as I would have found your site and learned about all of your fantastic relentless hard work bringing to light what really happened much sooner. I salute you and all your readers for standing strong.

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  39. anonymous # 23

    I read about the Ohio Ag’s statement in this article by the Columbus Dispatch:

    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/01/11/state-denies-deals-with-players.html

    Please take special notice of the very last paragraph of the article.

    “Although evidence in the criminal case showed each player “may not have conducted himself in a responsible or appropriate manner, his behavior did not rise to the level of any criminal conduct,” all three letters say. “Therefore, we will not prosecute your client for his actions on August 11-12, 2012.”

    Did not rise to the level of any criminal conduct!?! This statement is how they are justifying saying they didn’t make any deals. Disgusting- but then, what part of this whole story does not disgust me?

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    1. BooBoo

      “Although evidence in the criminal case showed each player “may not have conducted himself in a responsible or appropriate manner, his behavior did not rise to the level of any criminal conduct,” all three letters say. “Therefore, we will not prosecute your client for his actions on August 11-12, 2012.”

      Yet it did rise to the level of criminal conduct when they charged Trent Mays with “illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material” which is exactly what these three should also be charged with!!! They admitted to taking pictures and video of sexual acts with a minor and they admitted to sharing those pictures and video with others (distributing). So I want to know why just Trent Mays is charged with this yet they can walk for doing the same friggin thing???

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  40. Jtime96

    The April incident…. The April rape victim dates the live in son who lives with no other than…. Jane Hanlin… Deshawn Redman !!! – and the story continues….

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    1. Sera

      This madness must be exposed–and stopped.

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  41. JD#13

    Jtime96, if you have relevant information, please go to the authorities. These girls need help. Be their hero.

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    1. Jtime96

      I know it all… And so do they authorities! That’s the problem

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      1. JD#13

        That is truly heartbreaking. Where is the justice???

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  42. Crazy World

    Is it any wonder that Steubenville is in the boat that they are in? A look at the Roll Red Roll web page which is dedicated to the Student Athletes of Steubenville schools doesn’t even acknowledge any of the women’s teams??????? Guess they don’t count as Student Athletes???????

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    1. Guy with a Thought

      Good point!

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    2. JD#13

      What a great point to make, Crazy World. I’m not from that area I don’t go to that site but you have made an excellent point. I actually resent that fact because I know many young, awesome female athletes. Those ladies should be raising hell about this.

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  43. Jtime96

    With Hanlin behind the deals, there will never be justice!

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  44. Elliot N

    Is it possible for any person to videotape or photograph any minor being “digitally raped” and not have that “rise to a level of criminal conduct”? I really think all interested parties should address any concerns about this case to the Cincinatti FBI Office since they are the appropriate Federal Agency.

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  45. Elliot N

    Contact the Cincinnatti FBI Office and refer them to the “on the record” admissions of the three witnessses and in specific the videotape or photographing of the Aug 11-12 victim. NOTE: NOBODY has been given “Federal Immunity” and Feds can charge. Also contact the local United States Attorney. Hopefully Feds will open THEIR OWN case.

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  46. Elliot N

    Contact Info For FBI Cincy Office: 513- 421-4310, cincinnati@ic.fbi.gov Lets all hope and pray that THEY do not interpret the alleged videotaping of a 16 year old being “digitally raped” as “not rising to the level of criminal conduct”, and again none of the witnesses have been given any “Federal Immunity” so hopefully Feds will open their own case.

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  47. STUNNED

    WOW!!! I KNEW corruption was bad around here but finding it could lead to the AG and beyond.

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  48. KM

    I’m not American: can someone explain to me exactly what it would take for the FBI to be able to remove this investigation from local authority and run it themselves? What would be the process? Is the problem that it requires local authorities to request it, and plainly they aren’t about to do so, or can Federal authority overrule that an insist on an impartial investigation now?

    And why on earth, if there is any way external authorities can achieve that, has that not happened yet?

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    1. JFCarpenter

      I suspect that the FBI already is involved. They don’t announce their investigations. I also think that there are other investigations by other agencies going on as well – again not going to be announced. Generally they allow the State to proceed with whatever charges in the State court system, then file charges in Federal Court. A properly conducted investigation takes time.

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      1. KM

        That’s encouraging, and thank you for explaining. (I don’t live in a federal jurisdiction, in terms of law enforcement, so this is all alien to me.)

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  49. haradanohime

    Had anyone made the connection that the three suspended from athletics were the three that testified for the prosecution during the Preliminary trial? Look at this —–> http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/local/3-steubenville-high-school-athletes-suspended-extr/nSdjg/
    I’d say can it get any fishier but it has been on it’s own.

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    1. prinnie (Post author)

      They were suspended HOWEVER weeks later two of them were wrestling.

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      1. haradanohime

        I just find it highly ironic that the only ones even close to being disciplined for their actions by the school were the ones who turned state’s evidence. And just because the LE have made it into a legal case does not mean the schools should do nothing to the others. If they were at a party drinking while underage (which the legal age in Ohio is 21) Then all of those doing so should have been at least benched/suspended/something! But instead the school sat on it hands and said “It’s a criminal case now.” So I guess because two boys are in court for one thing that happened that night, all the other things that went on get a free pass. Must be nice!

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  50. Elliot N

    Yes FBI can investigate the issue of a minor being videotaped in the car while being allegedly “digitally penetrated” since to video that alleged activity would also be a violation of Federal Statute. And note that NOBODY has been given any “Federal Immunity”. The sad part is that normally FEDS will allow State-BCI to prosecute the case unless they have a compelling reason to go after their own Federal charges. They should but dont hold your breath.

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    1. KM

      Sorry, I was unclear: I’m aware the FBI would be able to investigate in that sense – that it is a serious enough offence – what I was asking is what it would take for them to be able to oust the local authorities from this investigation, and conduct it themselves? Apart from anything else, it seems quite clear that faith in the impartiality and effectiveness of the local law enforcement is pretty well nil. That’s very unhelpful in a situation where witnesses need to feel confident in order to come forward. People have posted on here saying they know things, but believe the authorities already know and don’t care. so won’t be approaching them. That is the antithesis of justice.

      Basically, I want to know if the FBI can be mandated to take over by either state or federal authorities, or whether they require an invitation from the County. If the former, why has it not happened yet? If the latter, then the question does rather answer itself.

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  51. Atticus Finch

    The thing the FBI should look into is the choice of wording in the letters allegedly sent by the AG Prosecutors to the lawyers for the three witnesses as it seems out of the ordinary in my opinion. For instance on one hand they are choosing to prosecute an alleged rape with fingers or “digital rape” and then on the other hand in a letter referring to the allegedly admitted videotaping of it on a cell phone as not “rising to a level of criminal conduct”. As Jim Traficant would say: ” Beam me up Scotty”

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  52. Cricket

    Apparently 2 BCI’s that were working Columbiana County cases have been assigned to Steub. Rape case to investigate….. In Morning Journal.

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    1. Sera

      Cool–I hope. Hopefully it’s not just a ploy to make it look like they’re handling this correct now and hopefully the BCI investigators aren’t golf buddies with parents of the accused, etc.

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  53. Elliot N

    Yes if the FBI could take over but normally what they will do is proceed with their own Federal probe. A clear example of this would be the MIBURN FBI File which was the basis for the movie “Missisippi Burning”. Feds had lost all confidence in the State holding KKK Members responsible for the murder of three civil rights workers so they went after the culprits on Federal Charges.

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  54. Oh The Humanity!

    Recent article:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260990/EXCLUSIVE-Second-girl-sexually-assaulted-prom-party-attended-Ohio-high-school-footballers–just-FOURTEEN.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

    Sheriff Abdalla seems to like making exculpatory statements about the football players even though he admits not being involved in the investigation. Rah, rah, rah, Freddy!!

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  55. Mr. Gibbs from Georgia, the deep south.

    The AG just wanted to jump into the case, what a clown.

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  56. John Lewis

    As a resident of the United Kingdom I am puzzled that potentially relevant information on this case has been uncovered by the Daily Mail. Does anyone have any views as to how the US media outlets have either failed to find the same information or, more worryingly, have not made sufficient efforts.

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    1. Oh The Humanity!

      Hi John Lewis. In my opinion with very few exceptions the US media simply repeats stories already in the public domain and rarely does investigative journalism. Also, news stories in the US media are sanitized. If that is hard to believe one needs only to compare the words and pictures of the same war events in the US and foreign media.

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      1. John Lewis

        That’s too bad. Looking at the way the case is developing, and being reported on, over here I see too many articles questioning the actions of anonymous and too few concentrating on a community circling the wagons around these young men. Kudos to the likes of this blog for keeping on focus. I just have a growing feeling that those involved will get off lightly from a legal perspective. What their lives will be like at OSU, Kent State etc is another matter.

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  57. blah

    I doubt the FBI would take such an interest in a juvenile case, regardless of violation.

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    1. haradanohime

      It probably wouldn’t be the actual case but the potential cover up that the FBI would be interested in if the did decide to take the case IMO.

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    2. Wayne Borean aka The Mad Hatter

      @blah

      Why wouldn’t the FBI take an interest in the case? I’m not American, and I don’t claim to know all of your laws, but from what I understand part of the FBI’s remit is to cover cases that are interstate in nature. It is alleged that Jane Doe was driven over a state line, and assaulted on both sides of the state line.

      So why wouldn’t they be interested?

      The FBI is also heavily involved in tracking serial predators. A very large number of rapists are involved in attacks on more than one individual, and it is possible they are investigating if that is the case here.

      The FBI is also used in cases where corruption or malfeasance is alleged against a town or county agency. That is the case here.

      There’s three possible reasons that the FBI could be “interested.” The fourth and most common reason however is because THEY WERE ASKED TO TAKE AN INTEREST BY LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

      There’s four options. I have no idea which one is right, but I’m willing to take bets on @blah being a Troll.

      Wayne

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  58. There's elephants in the room

    If the BCI wants to investigate then I would suggest they get up in the morning and read the Internet.

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  59. Diane Conroy

    They do when they change them over to an adult instead of a juvenile! A case that is subject to waiver is filed originally in juvenile court but may be transferred to adult court later because of the degree of the crime such as rape!

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  60. Elliot N

    Well stated Wayne!

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  61. Joanie

    I’m not 100% positive how the protocol works when one is arrested but I think the police gather evidence and take it to the prosecutor and then it’s decided if there’s enough to prosecute. Well it is still my opinion that Hanlin had a great big hand in mucking up this case more than any one else. She knew the evidence and had 2 weeks to dismantle the case and get all of them to get their stories straight. The FBI needs to investigate not just this case, but her specifically.
    The Daily Mail seems to be keeping this story on the front page and has an “exclusive” about Cody and a quote from his mom….”He’s an awesome kid”. Wow, how does she look at herself in the mirror knowing he’s the one that set this whole thing up!! UGH, disgusting! Here’s the article with pictures of cooty, I mean cody, saying how sorry he is, yes…sorry he got caught.
    To Jane Doe, please hang in there and know you have so much love and support out here. We know the truth, and soon so will everyone else.

    The DailyMail “exclusive”:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260857/EXCLUSIVE-High-school-footballer-star-apologizes-posting-THAT-picture-Ohio-rape-victim–denies-claims-assault-revenge-slighted-girl-16.html

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  62. c_dubb

    an awesome kid???????? he’s been a bully since grade school. he gave my son problems for years.

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  63. JFCarpenter

    Prinnie, does anyone know if Mike DeWine and Frank Bruzzese were classmates at Ohio Northern University Law School?

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    1. John Doe #6

      They overlapped by one year–DeWine graduated in 1972 and Bruzzese in 1974.

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  64. finnla

    Ok, I obviously have comprehension problems regrding the second case involving the 14 year old in April. The sheriff sends her on to city police (sound strange to me, but what do I know), the city police says they sent it on to BCI, BCI says they were (only) asked to assist in the August case. And from this Daily amil concludes the Fed investigate it (because the alternative would be: it was ‘lost’?). Do I misinterpret something? Now, where is the investigation, really?

    Interestingly the Sheriff opined, the (14 year old!) girl had called the incident ‘consentual’, since, and retracted. (14! consentual is an elusive word in this context, but, ok. the Sheriff doesn’t mind, obviously).
    Is there any chance this has to do with the busted lawyers, who tried to bribe rape victims with 150,000$ so they change their testimnony? I mean, how many rapists have that amount of cash to silence their victims. And what either overwhelming evidence or fear of any publicity must be involved that they don’t just take the typical ‘slander and discredit the victim’ route, which generally works out pretty well for rapists? Or, have I dived to deep into cospiracy theory, now?

    http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2012/12/29/news/doc50df6e3b1cb04015017597.txt

    Prinnie, a great blog and it really ‘makes a difference’. Keep up the good work!

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  65. Rusty Valley

    Mike Dewine received his law degree in 1972 from Ohio Northern Law University, Frank Bruzzese also went to Ohio Northern Law University and was licensed in 1974. Don’t know if they were classmates.

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  66. finnla

    ok regarding the bribery, that was a different rape case with a perp named Castro.

    http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/01/prosecutors_implicate_a_fourth.html

    Still don’t understand, in whose hands the victim 2 case currently is…

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  67. BKing

    Prinnie, Thank you for everything you’ve done to bring this issue to light (and keeping it there), The collective moral fortitude of a society is dependent on the risks, sacrifices and indomitable spirits of those individuals who stand up to the corrupt and corrupting elements that bring chaos, pain and suffering to us all, as a whole. Without people like you, we all would be lost, So thank you and much respect from Texas.

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    1. BKing

      P.S. I’m very disappointed in the avatar I was assigned. (that looks nothing like me) 😛

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  68. And here's a murder case:

    Rape is rampant and unreported in most cultures. I thank the reporter for her in-depth research and reporting to bring this issue before the int’l public attention. To read about the unprosecuted murder of a Russian teenage girl in Barbados, google “Barbados Free Press Anna Druzhinina” or go to https://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=barbados+free+press+druzhinina&oq=barbados+fr&gs_l=hp.1.1.35i39l2j0l2.1825.8572.0.10654.11.11.0.0.0.1.1416.5633.0j2j1j2j2j2j1j1.11.0.les%3B..0.0…1c.1.LPvFeNOkTUQ&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1357700187,d.eWU&fp=64f1546ccfea2ca5&biw=1348&bih=603

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  69. Prosecutor, Judge and Jury?

    In the video, how can the official being interviewed state the man in the video laughing about the rape victim “wasn’t even there”? Disgusting.

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  70. JFCarpenter

    So it is likely they know each other.

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  71. pinnet501

    The 300-page transcripts of the hearing will tell the full horror of what was found and discussed in court proceedings.

    You have to take in consideration that yes… this is a small town… that is a fact… everybody knows everybody. But let’s be realistic….. not everybody is corrupt or deviant. That goes over the top. Let’s deal with what is… the facts and pull back a bit on personal insinuations that go way beyond what these boys did to the victim.

    Let’s “make sure” that these boys pay, repent and learn an important lesson.

    I just hope that the AG office is competent enough to utilize their evidence…. use all the available finding and out those – who need to be reprimanded so that all involved will learn an important life long lesson.

    It’s known that sociopaths and psychopaths and common criminals are spurred on, incited to continue with their sickness when the rush of adrenaline is assisted by the knowledge that they have gotten away with the crime. These boys must be made to understand the gravity of their behavior. Let’s stay focused on that aspect. Who… and how will that responsibility be managed… must be the priority.

    The victim and her family need justice!

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    1. Guy with a Thought

      Reasonableness. Starting to sound refreshing.

      I miss hearing from KnightSec. He has a brashness, but yet a fierce sense of justice as well. The comment on national media about Anonymous being “the executioner” sounded off to me. Soundd like someone higher up – someone “experienced” enough to handle the really big lights.

      For what it’s worth, Yogo’s Potatoes in Steubenville is not being boycotted by the townspeople of Steubenville for the establishment’s support of Occupy Steubenville. Many protestors ended up there on the Saturday demonstrations, but Yorgo’s was not “giving out free drinks in support of the rally.” Rather someone heard people were getting hot chocolate, coffee, ect from Yorgo’s and they called the restaurant and put $100 on a credit card for the demonstrators.

      There has not been a severe drop in business at Yorgos. Any attempts to punish this business are misplaced. Can you blame people for being thirsty, cold, and hungry? And threats against employees just reinforce the stereotype of people in Steubenville as violent knuckle draggers.

      The owner of Yorgo’s did spend a couple hours unplugging the toilet in the restaurant’s public restroom a couple days ago. What was blocking the pipes? A political pin with a symbol that looked something like peace and something like anarchy. Who knows?

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  72. Leigh LaFon

    It should go without saying that most people in Steubenville are completely innocent in this case. The problem is most very real compassion for the victim and concern for the root causes of the rape culture are still drowned out by the extremely loud chorus of outraged self-pity and defensiveness – by the very football team boosters who are most in need of some fierce but humble self examination. These are the people who have truly dragged Steubenville into global disrepute. The kids on the team itself have clearly suffered, not because outsiders have questioned the guilt of every team member, but because the coach and assistant coaches and vocal team supporters are still enabling so much criminality and cover-up as an accepted matter of course. These adults who were supposed to enforce the standards for the team responded to the filed charges in a pathologically dysfunctional manner, which was a grave injustice to those who look up to them for leadership. The adults who represent the fanatical team boosterism have utterly failed in their duty to force their beloved team and school administration to uphold even the most basic accepted behavioral standards. All of this rooting “for the children” falls flat when their own adult complicity in maintaining this entrenched mindset victimizes their children further. The rest of the world is reacting naturally to what looks like a town defending the very worst of the worst, in the name of team pride. Very few outside Steubenville seem to believe the “threats” against the school were anything but a local hoax and an excuse to rage against outsiders. That hostility does not serve the cause of their children at all, but can only be seen as adding to their childrens’ further fear and confusion. Should the town engage in rigorous self examination and cleansing of corruption, and show greater concern for the victims of rape than it does for a football program, they will not face this outside condemnation.

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  73. glad2bgone

    Not sure how many of you read the Steubenville Herald Star, But Bruzzese was the top letter to the editor for the Sunday edition. Of course he defends all of his buddies and their integrity, but I found the comments both pointed and somewhat funny (mostly because they point out how he is making an absolute a** of himself.

    http://www.hsconnect.com/page/content.detail/id/581967/Mob-destroys-reputations.html?nav=5007

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    1. glad2bgone

      just had to change my email for notifications.

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    2. C Morgan

      Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed the brilliant comments as well.
      Given he’s an attorney, you would think “no comment” would come more naturally to him. Yet I’m seeing more of his name branding defense of any and all related to the case, except for the victim.
      Is it the fact that as layers keep peeling back, he is fearful of what’s to unravel? Or is it a more vain attempt to capitalize on the spotlight of national attention, circulating his name for some political gain? Idk but if the latter, I think he should have chosen a less antagonistic platform to preach from!

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  74. glad2bgone

    Oh, yeah. They also held a rally for the “children” last night, too. Good comments here, also.

    http://hsconnect.com/page/content.detail/id/582063/Standing-up-for-Steubenville.html?nav=5010

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    1. Oh The Humanity!

      Hi glad2bgone. I was heartened by the locals holding a rally “Standing Up For Steubenville”. I am also heartened by Prinnie and others for “Standing Up To Steubenville”. My thoughts and prayers go out to all the victims of the Steubenvillains. May justice be served.

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      1. glad2bgone

        Hi, Oh The Humanity!! Don’t get me wrong. I have nieces and nephews that attend schools in Steubenville and my kids were enrolled there until we moved recently. I think it is great that they’re holding rallies to support the students, however, they are once again misguided. There is a serious problem there and people would much rather deflect blame on groups like Anon than to accept that this community and these parents have done a horrible job raising some of these kids and created this culture. One of my friends on Facebook said it best. He said ” Because to them Steubenville is their identity, they fail to realize nodody is attacking them or their town..they are attacking those who wish to hide truth within a currupt construct…I am from Steubenville…I am not Steubenville.” That, I believe is it in a nutshell….

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        1. Oh The Humanity!

          Glad2bgone, we are on the same page about the misplaced indignation and support rallies in Steubenville. The good people there cannot divorce themselves from the identity created by corrupt power brokers over many years. Also interesting that Bruzzese not once mentions support for Jane Doe in his letter to the editor. No compassion or feeling for anybody but his fellow Steubenvillains.

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  75. Eliza

    Found this online……interesting. http://steubenville2013.wordpress.com/2013/01/11/3/

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  76. Leigh LaFon (@DenverElle)

    I just read those two linked articles above, and it appears the local “mob” is still trying to blame the outside “mob” for all the consequences of their own corruption and the culture of football player entitlement leading to rape. They just don’t get it. The comments sections following these media stories offer more wisdom than Mr Bruzzese or the articles themselves. Would the whole world be reading about the rape charges if Steubenville’s officials, coaches and sports enthusiasts had taken the path of self-reflection and addressed the issue honestly?

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    1. KM

      If that path had been taken and honesty were there, I very much doubt there would be a rape to investigate. Kids don’t collectively turn into sociopaths when their role models are worthy of the name.

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  77. Oh The Humanity!

    Some here may already know. LocalLeaks updated its disclosure to include tweets from family members of the HS football coach Reno Saccoccia allegedly discussing college football bets to be placed at The Spot Bar in Steubenville. The coach himself is referenced in the tweets, but remember that Coach Saccoccia “doesn’t do the internet”. The LocalLeaks disclosure update also includes a list of alleged phony addresses used to qualify out-of-town football players for the Steubenville HS team.

    http://localleaks.blogs.ru/

    And thanks to glad2bgone for the link above to Frank Bruzzese’s letter to the editor. I chuckled when I read his comments and laughed out loud at the public response. It’s definitely worth a look.

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    1. haradanohime

      Jefferson County schools have an open enrollment policy. So long as you live within Jefferson county you can attend any school district within the county. Though I have known in the past that they have gone to promising players attending other schools and convinced them to come to Big Red, I cannot speak for the present time.
      @Leigh They always blame outsiders. It’s never them that is the issue and it has been that way for a very long time. So of course now that Anonymous has taken and interest and stirred the pot, They are the one getting the blame. Most of the people living in that area are afraid to speak up. But I applaud all the valley residents who were brave enough to stand with the “outsiders” and support Jane Doe.If i were a gambling person I’d bet if the LE looked well enough into the threats and so on they’d find the source of them surprising. BUT that is just my intuition.

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      1. Oh The Humanity!

        Hi Haradanohime. The kids on the LocalLeaks list of out-of-towners were from WV and not Jefferson County but thanks for the info about open enrollment.

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      2. Leigh LaFon (@DenverElle)

        I agree with all you’ve said here. I think it’s unfortunate for the many local people who do care about solving the problems and cleaning up corruption that the public face of leadership in the town is so visibly and appallingly unethical. Those Steubenville residents who came out in support of rape victims, especially those who spoke to the crowd, are heroic for having the courage to do so. The more I read about the corruption, the more I admire those local heroes.

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        1. KM

          Seconded. In the environment that’s being described, they are extraordinarily courageous.

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  78. Atticus Finch

    Important to note that many many good people from Steubenville support the victim and the issue of victims rights. Also sad that some seem to yearn for “the good ole days” of underage drinking and young girls getting sodomized in the basements.

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  79. KM

    I just wanted to provide the link to the charity Jane Doe has asked wellwishers who wanted to aid her directly to support, instead:

    http://ywcawheeling.org/madden-house-donations/

    It’s just nice to finally have something tangible to offer to show respect and admiration, really.

    Stunned that a small group of locals are now protesting, claiming to be thinking of their children in resenting this furore. If you’re thinking of local children, what about all the girls at that school who are still sharing their corridors, unsupervised, with the boys involved in this mess? Or don’t girls count as “your children”? There were photos of two other naked and apparently comotose girls on one of those phones (this has been stated in sworn court testimony, according to the Daily Mail) and the owner of that phone, who has admitted to snapping away at an abused teen, is still at the school. Where is your fear for the safety of your girls? You’re scared of Outsiders, but not actual evidenced predation on young girls from people traipsing around the same halls?

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  80. IknowSteubenville

    FYI – WTOV9 featured a wrestling video on the news last night featuring AC and MC winning their matches.

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    1. finnla

      That is just sick.

      On another note: regarding Bruzzese’s Letter to the editor, particularly at the end: ‘You know us. You don’t know them. Who will you believe?’ His use of the word ‘us’ is disturbing. Like, police, sheriff, prosecutor, coach, Bruzzese himself… they are all ‘us’, like one entity? An entity to be believed, no questions asked. If Bruzzese is not the GodFather of the county, he sure tries to sound like he is.

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  81. C. Moakler

    Having raised three children, and having been a teacher, I can say that school administration is causing many criminal social problems in America. These students are adults in physical form and masculine maturity. They are being protected from the civil authority by schools. They only get dropped into the reality of adulthood and responsibility at age eighteen and when off school property, because on school property crimes are covered up by staff. Teachers aren’t witnesses unless the principal and superintendant agree said teacher witnessed a crime, ie, that the superintendant is afraid of a lawsuit if they don’t act. They are more afraid of the press release naming the school as the location of the crime. It is all based on what is good for the schools and so the kids have no protection. We are fostering bad behavior and then blaming parents. Hazing is a norm at most schools and rape is now cross-sexual hazing. They are just jumping these girls into the gang. Get control of your school administrators to change behaviors of your students.

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  82. Peej

    After discovering material on this case only yesterday, I have been up all night reading everything I could on this case. I am disgusted that humans can act with such little empathy towards others and that such a cover up could have taken place. The comments made by some of the people involved (coaches etc) regarding the victim blaming leaves me baffled. These are people who are entrusted with being authoritive figures in the lives of impressionable minds and should act accordingly. Disgusting!

    I want to applaud all the work that has happened to bring this type of situation to light and that the guilty are punished accordingly. I hope there are some results to show for all the hard work at the end of it.

    Prinnie, your efforts are appreciated, even by people far removed from the situation i.e. live down under!
    I just hope the victim can put this behind her and karma bites the perp’s in the butt!

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  83. Oh The Humanity!

    This story was the subject of a post elsewhere that alleges the identity of one person involved:

    http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/steubenville-country-club-vandalized-expensive-rep/nHTyJ/

    The article mentions surveillance video of the vehicle used to damage the golf course and nearby yards. Supposedly the Steubenville PD was handling the investigation. Does anybody in the Steubenville area know if the golf course vandals were ever identified and prosecuted?

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    1. C Morgan

      Good detective work! But interestingly when I hit the link, it goes to the home page. So I searched “Steubenville country club vandalized” in news articles… Nothing found?? Ok granted I may be doing something wrong in search, so I will keep trying. was anyone else successful accessing the story too? I will try google next… TBC!

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      1. Wayne Borean aka The Mad Hatter

        The link worked fine for me, try it again.

        Wayne

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  84. KM

    I don’t know if this has already been discussed here, but it seems Hanlin is Michael Nodianos’ mother’s civil attorney.

    http://i.imgur.com/xtJGZ.png

    So the person who determined the role of this young man in the events of that night, in that initial two weeks, was his mother’s own civil attorney.

    The former Mrs Nodianos has now been alleged to have been divorced by Nodianos’ father for having an affair with a member of the Steubenville police force.

    http://mindfuller.tumblr.com/post/40087698544/comprehensive-steubenville-teen-rape-timeline

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  85. haradanohime

    They never reported finding the Vandals but then again News 9 is Infamous for starting a story and not keeping up to date with things. That is why there was such a huge backlash at their coverage of this case. If it’s not sports or self promotion, they don’t put a lot of detail into their reporting. Just read some of their other stories or watch one of the broadcasts.

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  86. C Morgan

    Here’s the answer it would seem… See 12/29/12 @ 11:23 pm comment. Wow! And do note the credit deserved in link…
    http://www.ovathletics.com/forum/showthread.php/13033-www-rollredroll-com-hacked-by-Anonymous/page31

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  87. Oh The Humanity!

    I don’t know if it’s true or not, but on pastebin it was said that the local prosecutor is VERY close to one of the golf course vandals.

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  88. carolann

    word in the street, some of the same fine “youts”

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    1. prinnie (Post author)

      LMAO @ youts. haha

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  89. Guy with a Thought

    Which explains why there are no glossy photos of tire tracks…

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  90. bking

    Pretty sure this has been posted before but I implore everyone interested in this case to revisit this page and read the comments, lots of background info has been added. http://radionewz.net/2013/01/steubenville-attorney-frank-bruzzese-goes-to-facebook-and-gets-accused-of-cronyism/frank-speaks-up-for-jane/

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  91. C Morgan

    I would think an outside & independent audit of the books could prove or disprove misappropriations of booster club funds. And odd no one was ever charged, no? But if what is alleged were in fact true, to cover up for the obvious twisted reasons. Leaving the many potential sectors involved unsaid. Would it not give more validity to a covering up for the severe crime of rape, to protect “their” team and the “futures” of some? Because it would seem there are no moral or ethical limits that they will go to in doing so. IMO

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    1. prinnie (Post author)

      They are not a registered 501(c)(3). Not sure how an audit would disprove or prove since there is no checks and balances in place to monitor funds moving through their organization.

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      1. C Morgan

        Yikes that is a scary thought. In my experience with as a parent and also as a manager of a small one for a few years… often times parents were required to contribute money to, in addition to volunteering and fundraisers. Managing I kept a notebook of all bank statements, receipts, and updated register of funds. That any parent at any time could request to see if they had questions. And as a parent contributor you best believe I would have questions if no one was accoutable for tracking the in and out of! So if they aren’t a 501c3, thus a taxable organization, they are required to file a form 1120 with the IRS annually and pay taxes on… Things that make you go hmm? Well then, how does that work out?!

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        1. prinnie (Post author)

          If they aren’t registered, then the IRS doesn’t know they exist. I also checked the Secretary of State of Ohio and they weren’t on the nonprofit list there either.

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          1. John Doe #6

            If there’s a bank account is has to be in someone’s name (either a person or corporation) and that someone is responsible for reporting to the IRS. I don’t know how things work in Steubenville but ordinarily you can’t deposit checks made out to a particular name unless it’s a corporate name or you can prove you’ve registered it as a dba. Either way, the bank has a tax ID to go with the account, whether it’s an SSN or an EID.

            I just looked up the bylaws of our booster association in my district and while they don’t specify a corporate form they do state that upon dissolution, after a final audit all funds go the school’s athletic department. I wonder if legally it’s a subsidiary of the school district.

          2. C Morgan

            You both raise some interesting points & further questions… My eyebrows are further raised /:}

          3. C Morgan

            And the puzzle pieces start falling into place…
            http://www.ovathletics.com/forum/showthread.php/8970-Steubenville-HS-(Big-Red)-Booster-Club-Pride-Drive

            Well here’s a start for 1 route of the $ going in!! From 2011 but links still seem active.

            Also it was alleged…
            “@XanonXmuseX: To the one young man on Dr. Phil…your ‘adults’ condone and tolerate sexual assault, why wouldn’t your ‘teammates’? #RiseAbove #BeAMan”

            “@XanonXmuseX: Person I just spoke of is the son of the man who runs the booster club.”

            If I am correct of which boy, the “defensiveness” of the team by the raging woman, was ~just maybe~ because of certain things to hide and protect? IMO

      2. IknowSteubenville

        The Big Red Boosters have been in existence for YEARS and are a very large, powerful group. I can’t believe they don’t have their name registered. Prior to home footballs games, they sell 50/50 tickets in addition to tickets to win the game balls. The payoff in most of the 50/50’s is in excess of $1,ooo. They also have paid parking for all home games and any/all playoff games held in the stadium. Where in the heck is all this money? Stuffed under someone’s mattress? Maybe is the safe at a local bar? It has to be somewhere, doesn’t it?

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        1. Leigh LaFon (@DenverElle)

          Great info, IknowSteubenville. It sounds like it is time to “follow the money.” It worked well enough to catch Al Capone for tax evasion. Murky finances could easily be where the crooks in this town are most vulnerable to exposure. As we can see, there is strong resistance by those in authority to examine their own behavior in regards to enabling their dangerously misogynous sports culture, so maybe outside examination of finances will help jump start a clean up of the corruption supporting that culture.

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          1. C Morgan

            I concur and hope this really happens! I have no doubts on the hands that are in the cookie jar, or “under the mattress,” or “in the safe” from time to time… will not come as many surprises!

  92. Atticus Finch

    Food for thought: Isnt it odd that well intentioned folks that reach out to Steubenville people and support a victim of alleged sexual abuse and galvanize some of the townfolk behind a noble platform of victims rights are viewed by some puppet masters as carpetbaggers that came into town with the nerve to let the young women know they dont have to be silent victims any longer? Heres what I say: Is “hiding” behind a mask wrong when apparently its ok for some to hide behind shoulder pads and a football helmet and facemask?

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    1. prinnie (Post author)

      BRAVO Atticus!! BRAVO!!!

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    2. ureapwhatusow

      Atticus, get what you’re trying to say, but the analogy is wrong. Only b/c they really aren’t hiding in football gear. Not when they are readily identifiable in the program and on the school’s website. Try for another analogy, ok?

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      1. ureapwhatusow

        ps. I neglected to say I’m in the vic’s corner and in no way do I think these pigs should get off. NONE of them!!!!!!

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  93. Atticus Finch

    Thanks Prinnie!

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  94. JohnA

    Dr Phil will be discussing the case.Good. Best thing that can happen is to keep this story in the national media.
    Perhaps enought national presure will force the Justice Dept to take an an active role in the case. I think it might
    be the only way justice can be seved

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  95. JohnA

    One question that always troubled me about this case. These kids were attending parties where alcohol was being served. Who was giiving them alcohol? Where were the parties being held? Why weren’t the parents or adults involved with the children contacted? Couldn’t they be
    held responsible because alcohol was being servied to minors on their property? Perhaps some sort of leverate could be applied to the parents or adults in question that would force greater cooperation with the authorities investigationg. But nothing in the local media has been said
    about underage drinking which is a crime in itself.

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  96. pinnet501

    Some of these kids have fake ID’s made, that’s a known fact…. others have friends who are of age and purchase the alcohol for them. Some kids know the store owner’s who give them a free pass to purchase the alcohol. And who knows what else! At any rate… these kids do more than just alcohol, there’s drugs involved and how are illegal drugs purchased? Where there’s a will… there’s a way… it’s the nature of the beast.

    Point is parents better get involved with their kids “personal lives”, know what’s going on… It’s absolutely necessary today… get involved and know your kids. Be a parent!

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  97. C Morgan

    I wonder that too. And in areas I have lived, whether the parents were even at home, regardless of who brought or provided the alcohol, whether any kids are over 18… The parents are held accountable and often any kids, for underage drinking & charged. But I will say this usually includes a visit during festivities by police, noticeably absent in this case?
    However, there have been also cases of after the fact, when an alleged crime occurred linked to, or by parental complaints, OR in cases of school faculty homes involved. And in those faculty cases, they were also disciplined by the school board, suspended without pay during investigation, and typically let go indefinitely.
    But then maybe none of these laws exist there???

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  98. Stormcat

    Funny… I’ve got a screen cap of a tweet from Sheriff Abdalla’s teenage niece bragging about her fake ID….

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    1. prinnie (Post author)

      It is amazing what you can find on the twitter accounts of these kids. One was allegedly selling moonshine. Photos of their entire learner’s permit being shown which is dangerous — they are giving the world their address. Parents need to be MORE involved in their child’s social media.

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      1. Stormcat

        I agree. His niece also put on there that she got in trouble for making the house smell like pot. Wonder if her parents or uncle asked her where she got it? Just five minutes of scrolling through twitter accounts and I know who is using, who is hooking up with whom. The parents must be blind or intentionally ignoring the problem.

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        1. Pete Basil

          I agree….IMO, everyone is blind to, intentionally ignoring or joining in on the problems. This town will always be the way it is because no one is ever held accountable for their wrong doings.

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        2. prinnie (Post author)

          Exactly. It’s not hard to figure out who is doing what, and monitoring social media is something that a parent MUST do. If they can’t do it themselves, there are services available to do it for them. My company offers social media profiles. Kids do not have a social off switch. They put WAY TOO much info out there about themselves.

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          1. C Morgan

            I applaud your efforts Prinnie in calling on parents to wake up & monitor their children’s activity online.
            Having a teen daughter and a son just past… I make it a point to friend them on their online accounts (even if I have to create my own to connect.) Initially was met with the, “Oh mom!” But as time has gone on, they now will initiate connections on their own. And I am not above, with my husbands support, making on rare occasions something removed. Only because even if I know what they meant without ill intent, it could be misconstrued without the details.
            Or I will comment a reprimand on something less trivial, and surprising how many of their peers support my stance.
            Finally in a few cases where they choose to side with a friend of some source of contention between a 3rd party. I do not hesitate to publically remind them there are 2 sides to every story, and the truth is often found somewhere in between. I understand they want to support their friend, but do so from a middle ground when you’ve heard both sides, and refrain from condemning the other party. And even have pointed out the possible reasons for the 3rd party’s stance.
            Granted these are from years of observing. So it’s not required much of my efforts to step in. And I may not catch all, but as a parent it goes with the job in a digital age. The responsibility to society to parent our children online as well. It’s also a clear window open to your child’s choices of associations. And too a tool to verify they are where they say they are.
            So had any of these parents been paying attention, given there were posts of the crime as it was occurring… maybe not prevented, but certainly could of at some point intervened! And I am directing this at those of, that were selectively included in sharing with at the time of the assaults, in addition to the drinking, parties, and other illegal activity occurring within that night.
            Even more pathetic is those parents hearing or seeing after, failed to report it, or have their child take any accountability by coming forward! Epic fail in parenting!
            And no I’m not a perfect parent by far. But the numbers of potential people aware before, during, and after don’t lie… if paying any attention. And these parents & peers, they simply turned a blind eye! Most sad, they continue to!

            My apologies for rant, stepping off the soapbox now! /:

          2. prinnie (Post author)

            I’m in complete agreement with you. Even months after the tweets were discovered and posted, these kids were STILL posting things that would make a parent’s hair stand on end. There was a mother I was in contact with who was adamant her child had no twitter account. Flat out denied that they used the internet other than FB — imagine their surprise when they were presented with tweets detailing them sneaking out of the house to parties, etc. If they have a cell phone…they are using the internet.

          3. C Morgan

            Denial by a parent is your kids worst enemy! As you clearly just made the case for.
            May I also point out to parents, be leery of the “cover” accounts. I had a niece who had a family friendly fbk account, and yet another “real” account she had blocked certain people from seeing. Needless to say, the vast contrast of material on the two was clearly evident! And her parents were alerted to its existence… If they are consistently on their phones & Internet, yet their postings don’t reflect this, you might want to look a little harder.

          4. prinnie (Post author)

            I have had people say it is wrong to creep your kids. Uh, NO it isn’t. When the stuff is posted for the WORLD to see — there is NOTHING wrong with monitoring it. Reading diaries? Yes, that’s where a line is drawn and it is the parent’s decision as to how much of their kids’ privacy they wish to invade, but monitoring social media to make sure your kid is being safe online is their duty as far as I’m concerned.

  99. Atticus Finch

    They are still “hiding”, its a metaphor.

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  100. SabritHadid

    May the L-rd BLESS and KEEP Mr Harold Star! Keep that Info coming, may true justice be served!

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  101. AK mom

    Seriously? If one of my kids made the house smell like pot he wouldn’t be able to tweet about it afterward! Ridiculous parenting.

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    1. Leigh LaFon (@DenverElle)

      Exactly, AK mom, exactly. That response by more parents could have prevented so much of the ou-of-control teen culture of Steubenville from evolving into a tragedy.

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  102. kristineedscats

    In the law, certain terms have technical definitions for important reasons. I am not an expert on criminal procedure, nor do I know the common practices of Ohio state criminal law, but I think I can add insight as to why the AG will not call this a “deal.”

    In criminal procedure, if a prosecutor has made a “legal deal” with a witness, that means a quid pro quo, contractual obligation between the witness and the legal entity, here the Ohio AG office. It means that the AG office could prosecute the witness, but has agreed not to in exchange for the witness’s testimony. If the witness were to refuse to testify, the AG’s office could then file charges because the witness reneged on the contract.

    This is a technical definition that might sound silly, but it is quite important in the law. If the witnesses made this type of deal, the defense is allowed to ask the witness about the deal as a way to try to impeach credibility, “so you’ve only made up this story to keep the prosector from coming after you!” If it is not legally this type of deal, the defense may be precluded from making any such inference. This make the witnesses stronger, better witnesses because they are testifying out of free will, rather than being forced to testify to avoid prosecution.

    I think (and I admit it is conjecture on my part–I am not familiar with common practices in Ohio) that in this case, the witnesses are frightened and the “letter” given to them is not a contract. It may be a one-sided (NOT a contract) reassurance made by the prosecutor that, as long as what they have told the prosecutor is not proved false, that the prosecutor has deemed that they are not guilty of a crime, and therefore will not be prosecuted.

    From what I understand from this case, I gather that you think these witnesses are guilty of a crime, and ethically I completely agree with you. Unfortunately, most legal jurisdictions do not make inaction a crime, unless the person has a legal “duty” to the victim. Should there be a legal duty? I believe there should be, and that would require a change in the law in most jurisdictions.

    The law as it is now is far from perfect and it takes dedicated people to draw attention to its problems and legislators (or their proxies) to change it for the better. Thank you for devoting your time and effort.

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  103. john

    i find it really strange that these boys took pictures of the girl on cell phones and amazingly all of them decided to deleat them. Seems to me that someone in the know might have advised them to do so to avoid prosecution. Wonder who was around that might have enough legal knowledge to have advised them..Seems strange to me, none of the phones confiscated had any pictures left on them. Strange they all took them then decided to get rid of them kinda puzzling as to why the all had same feelings about them. Just wondering.

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    1. Alice

      I agree, John. Seems to me they were all “coached” on how to cover their asses by someone in the know. I don’t think these boys were that smart to have figured out that keeping porno images of an underaged girl on their phone was a crime.
      Their actions seem to speak of a long held belief that their deviant behaviors would go unchallenged or corrected. This mind-set is really sick, and sad too.

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  104. C Morgan

    This link to comments is required reading, (start @ Harold Star, Insta Karma, & Nutrition Facts) on how & why JH erred with recusal delay. Further details of the corruption, connecting the dots of agenda in serious depth. Also a thorough mapping of the local police force dynamics & issues. Mind boggling read!

    http://radionewz.net/2013/01/all-the-buzz-is-about-jill-watkins-on-the-dr-phil-steubenville-show/#comments

    *within feed is some good & bad stabs at Dr Phil’s star & clears up the lies on desk tent restrooms/ “threat”

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  105. C Morgan

    Sorry for my posting frenzy! Just one more thing to add…
    Please see comment #3. A Star breaks it down regarding JH roll, defense legal angle serving more justice, and eventually how it all ties into the football team!

    http://radionewz.net/2013/01/wtov9-attorneys-plead-case-to-keep-juvenile-rape-case-open-or-closed-to-public-judge-to-decide-to-next-week/#comments

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  106. Pingback: IcanHasJUSTICE.ORG

    1. maddadof2grls

      Every dog has her day!

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  107. C Morgan

    Looking back at an article from the infamous Herald StarAug 21st, there’s a comment that caught my eye on 2nd look. It pertains to JH stepping aside…
    [Hanlin said she will ask the state attorney general’s office to come in and prosecute the case ~IF~ charges are filed.
    “I know too many of the individuals on a personal level,” Hanlin said.]
    ->Wee hours of Aug 22 the 2 boys are arrested merely hours after that comment?!<-
    And in same article Just prior to her comment, this is also said…
    [City Law Director S. Gary Repella said there is a sexual assault investigation involving Steubenville officers and the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department. Repella said ~No charges~ have been filed.]
    In same article sheriff "YabbaDabba" has no Comment, & McVey can't be reached for one.
    Ok so then also states in article re prior search warrants…
    [A search warrant was obtained to confiscate several cell phones of persons who either were allegedly involved in the case or who have knowledge of the events. That search warrant was "sealed" upon the order of Jefferson County Common Pleas Judge Joseph Jr. because the affidavit used to obtain the search warrant contained names of juveniles.] 
    -> Aug 16 was the date 15 phones were taken, allowing time for some to even tweet goodbyes!? A little suspicious isn’t it, how much heads up did they really have cops were coming for phones??It does not officially happen until
    Aug 27. And Kerr steps aside Aug 29 as judge.<-
    So from this I surmise that she was well submersed in the case, including the knowledge of the 15 owners of cellphones in warrants. Thus by her own admission, she was no way stepping aside clearly until she oversaw who was going to be arrested & charged. Then stuck around I assume, to be privy to questioning of arrested. Perhaps to ensure some others weren't added to the suspect list or additional charges rendered? The same big question that still lingers by anyone with half a brain! 
    In addition to having access to phone evidence… which we know was vacant of most known media said later. And I believe it was Aug 17, after having phones at least a day, they ask for BCI help to search devices. If not mistaken that person was connected to someone too. 
    And was it not JH who tried to change phones or numbers over that period?
    So are we really to believe she had no idea her son's buddies/teammates were part of this from day 1? Was she not the attorney in divorce of CS parents, who was named a big part to? Was her son's name likely not mentioned early on? 
    BS! She knew from point A of police being informed of crime, including per evidence on a memory card, then again on warrants. And finally not until conveniently the eve of arrests does she say she MAY step Aside (no charges filed yet mind you!) Yet only Hours later, 2 are arrested! And Later same day of arrests, makes statement that ok she will definitively step aside. But that doesn't occur until the 27th . Well isn't that just so damn convenient! Someone should be pulling personal & office phone records during those 2 weeks. I would bet there is a burning trail of questionable calls! IMO 

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  108. maddadof2grls

    Every Dog has her day!

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  109. maddogsandirishgirls

    cmorgan: i believe it was MN’s (laughingboy) parent’s divorce she was involve in, not CS parents. that’s all

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    1. C Morgan

      Oops! Thank you for the correction. (:
      I did confuse the 2 moldy peas in a rotten pod!

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      1. Leigh LaFon (@DenverElle)

        C. Morgan, In light of what has been discussed since August, it’s remarkable to see how your careful re-examnation of the original reporting brings new perspective to the case. Good eyes!

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  110. LynneB

    Just read FB’S FB post…. That’s not true. Charlie Keenan WAS is town…at least according to the probable cause transcript. One of the kids who testified said Charlie drove him to the party. Did he lie under oath? Or did FB lie on FB??

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