Collateral Damage

I watched the “Nodi Wylin About a Dead Girl” video today and it took nearly an hour to finish listening to it.  It was a very painful 12 minutes 29 seconds.  The content of the video was just THAT horrible.  Almost two months ago when I first started writing about the Steubenville case, I detailed how shocked and upset I was at the tweets that I discovered.  Reading those tweets was a walk in the park compared to actually hearing the filth roll off of another human being’s tongue about the events of that night.  I cannot imagine if Nodi were my son or my brother, but I can feel compassion and sorrow for his family — unlike the lack of emotion he showed for the victim.  I cannot imagine the humiliation and shame that his actions have brought upon his family – who are also innocent victims.  They did not ask for this shame.  Many lives were forever changed that night by the actions of all of those involved.

I think what most find disturbing is the lack of empathy and compassion from so many of those who witnessed the brutality.  What kind of  person stands by and watches gleefully as another is violated and publicly humiliated?   There are so many questions and it is my hope, and has always been my motivation that those questions somehow be answered.

277 Responses to Collateral Damage

  1. HollyB says:

    Not one single ounce of compassion or empathy in this kid.. not one. When speaking of what if it was his daughter and his answer “she’d just be dead.” Unbelievable. I hope for society’s sake this piece of shit is never able to procreate.

  2. Kalin says:

    Despicable

  3. Ana says:

    Every witness to that crime, who failed to call the police while the crime was in progress, should be charged as an accessory to rape, kidnapping, and whatever else! So, why aren’t they?????????????

  4. Lemmy says:

    Good old Sheriff Fred on the radio this morning just shrugging his shoulders over the whole thing and actually saying “some folks are just jealous of Big Red Football”. Wow.

    • JC says:

      Those are exactly the kinds of comments that will keep this in the news. We are really dealing with a lot of morons here.

    • Katherine says:

      How is it possible these kids in the video are not subject to accessory charges? This tape is a gift to prosecutors. Justice department should take over on this one. Locals do NOT pass the sniff test here.

  5. DawnG says:

    This was really tough to watch. I’m just sickened at these teenaged pigs hamming it up for the camera and each other. “Craig, I’m gonna watch this every day!” I wonder what they’re thinking now that this $hitstorm has been unleashed. You think the star of the video feels any genuine remorse? Yeah, neither do I.

    I don’t know what’s going to happen to them legally, but at the **very least** social condemnation should follow them the rest of their lives. These young men know right from wrong but they just don’t seem to care.

  6. a. valverde says:

    They are allowed to behave like this and so they do. Obviously a young man with no morals, ethics or parental guidance. His parents must be real brainless twits as well and should shoulder some of the responsibility for this ugly young man and his upbringing. This is so wrong on so many levels. I would love to hear the response from OSU, as I understand this has been forwarded to the entire administrative body by many different individuals so far. I hope they publish his picture and hand it out so young women on campus and people with sisters are aware of this nasty little sexual predator. Hopefully they will pull his scholarship and boot his ass out. This is not the type of individual that OSU needs representing them on or off the field.

  7. The Boz says:

    Ever wonder what a dead man walking looks like?

    Now you do.

  8. John O'Neill says:

    To the parents of the animal in this video: You failed miserably.

    • Trailhiker says:

      Yes, let’s be real here the parents have some fault here somewhere along the line. I see kids like this IRL and in almost every case their parents never disciplined them or taught them responsablity or morals .i.e crappy parenting skills and parents who went off and did their own thing. My own brothers kids are like this(well not as bad..yet) and yes he and his wife are crappy parents.

      Looks like someones parents are going to spend their life’s savings to lawyer him up…

  9. snapjudy says:

    A very difficult video to watch… but a must see by those who are still in denial…and have this football team and coach,etc high on a pedestal…. The fact that so many kids are just plain heartless is hard for me to wrap my brain around.. I just keep thinking about the brave girl and her family.. ! I hope she knows there are thousands who understand and have compassion for her. She is not alone.

    Judy Jones, SNAP Midwest Associate Director, USA, 636-433-2511. snapjudy@gmail.com,
    “SNAP (The Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests) is the world’s oldest and largest support group for clergy abuse victims. SNAP was founded in 1988 and has more than 12,000 members. Despite the word priest in our title, we have members who were molested by religious figures of all denominations, including nuns, rabbis, bishops, teachers, Protestant ministers and increasingly, victims who were assaulted in a wide range of institutional settings like orphanages, summer camps, athletic programs, Boy Scouts, etc.”

    • JC says:

      I agree. If she plays her cards right she will symbolize justice for women everywhere. I hope she is brazen enough to come through for all women and I hope she also begins a civil suit against the coaches, faculty, parents, and bystanders.

  10. Steve Gibson says:

    Absolutely disgusting!!!!!!!

  11. Steve Gibson says:

    Bring that animal down here to Texas. We’ll give him so Texas justice!

  12. Ian says:

    Disgusting… I only started following this story a couple of days a go, I am in the United Kingdom and managed to somehow, stumble on the story on there. He’s a sick boy and needs dealing with accordingly before he goes on and ruins more young and innocent lives. I really feel for the girl who had to go though what they put her through and for her to find out what happened by reading the local newspaper is just bang out of order. Get these douche bags locked up for a long time before they get their claws in to some other, unsuspecting young girl and ruin her life……

  13. ureapwhatusow says:

    What shocked me first was how he was equating the victim to dead people and laughing about “Kayleigh Anthony, Trevon Martin, OJ’s wife, and even JFK. Had he stuck with ficticious movie characters, it may have not been so offensive. Even though it was definitely offensive and hard to swallow watching it. I kept thinking how I wished someone would grab him and smash his ugly face in. It also didn’t help make it easier to watch when he started playing with himself. I honestly thought he was going to whip it out and start masturbating. Any girl who has anything to do with this degenerate needs some serious mental help~!!!!! I hope when an employer does a search of his name, this video remains at the top of the search results page and he NEVER becomes employed. It would also be nice if OSU rescinds his scholarship for lack of morals.

    • BooBoo says:

      “It also didn’t help make it easier to watch when he started playing with himself. I honestly thought he was going to whip it out and start masturbating.”

      Well I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed that. He was definitely a little too excited about what he had obviously seen take place. Why do the police believe he wasn’t there? You can hear him say things like “you should have seen it” in the video.

  14. Seven says:

    I really hope these kids either get jail time, or someone gets some vigilante justice and beat the shit out of them.

    • Trailhiker says:

      TBH I’m not 100% sure justice will prevail in our corrupt culture. That being said if justice is not served I would die happy knowing the only jobs they get the rest of their lives is “Would you like fries with that?”

  15. Chimay says:

    Ohio State is as entrenched in the athlete culture as Steubenville. Look what Jim Tressel did – and he was on the sidelines of a game this year and received a stadium full of cheers when his mug was shown on the scoreboard. They aren’t going to do anything with this kid … he fits right in.

  16. ErinC says:

    I went to high school not far from here, and unless things have changed a lot, this is just the tip of the iceberg. I was muscular enough to be able to defend myself, I was lucky. This poor girl wasn’t. :(

  17. libbyb says:

    This kid’s mother must be so proud.

  18. MAmama says:

    This video is disturbing and disgusting. Makes me horrified at all involved!! I cried several times listening to the vile stuff coming out of his mouth and the kid that was filming and laughing is just as bad.

    As an Ohio State Alumni and die-hard sports fan, it absolutely disgusts me that he is wearing an OSU shirt in this video. This is NOT the kind of trash that attends Ohio State or 99.9% of the student athletes that attend this great university. I keep reading that he is a scholarship student at OSU but cannot find him or anything related to his name on the athletic website. Furthermore, if he were a football player on the team, he would not have been in Steubenville in mid-August as the team reports in late July/Early August and does not leave campu during the season. Is he just a student with an acedemic based scholarship?? I just don’t want the Ohio State football teams name to be dragged into this unnecessarily.

  19. Rachel says:

    To be fair, one kid, just one, spoke out against these disgusting, heinous comments. While I do not know who this individual is or his role in the events of that evening in August, his objections especially when everyone in the room seems to think “Nodi” is a comedic genius.

  20. gman says:

    Maybe the parents of punk felt the deep desire to make him sit on the “time out” bench instead of taking him to the wood shed on occassion. Let me tell you, there’s not much like the wood shed when it comes to dicipline. I know….unfortunately i had a spot reserved and so did my 3 children. Amazingly, it worked perfectly!!!

  21. derpina says:

    Michael Nodianos, good luck getting a job in the future. Nothing on the internet goes away.

  22. snapjudy says:

    Since these boys took nude photos of the young girl without her permission, and sent them over the internet, that might legally constitute child porn. We hope federal law enforcement will consider getting involved.

    Judy Jones, SNAP Midwest Associate Director, USA, 636-433-2511. snapjudy@gmail.com,
    “SNAP (The Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests) is the world’s oldest and largest support group for clergy abuse victims. SNAP was founded in 1988 and has more than 12,000 members. Despite the word priest in our title, we have members who were molested by religious figures of all denominations, including nuns, rabbis, bishops, teachers, Protestant ministers and increasingly, victims who were assaulted in a wide range of institutional settings like orphanages, summer camps, athletic programs, Boy Scouts, etc.”

  23. crap! says:

    I am having a hard time grasping everything that is going on in my town and on the internet. I actually think the doxing is getting out of hand. Let me say this, the boys involved are vile, and deserve everything they get, but going after the whole town is beyond me.

  24. The Boz says:

    You know the comments pissed me off.

    However, I forgot to mention this and I feel I should…….

    There is a rifle lying right beside him on the floor.

    How incredibly stupid is that of the parents, etc. to allow a gun in a house around drunk kids?

    Again, look on the floor.

    Sniper gun, drunk kids, talking about rape…..

    WOW!

    • DawnG says:

      Noticed the gun right way. We’re betting its a .22

    • FartSmeller says:

      Have you seen this?

      “In May of 2012, Ed Wilson a Steubenville Big Red football player and two other unknown individuals shot out the windows of 14 vehicles in Steubenville. Despite being arrested, and confessing to the crime – he was never sentenced or made to pay restitution. The case was handled by Jane Hanlin’s office, Hanlin is a Prosecuting Attorney for Jefferson County and the mother of Big Red football player Charlie Keenan, believed to be a member of The Rape Crew.”

      Interesting eh? Seems like underage drinking and gun play go hand-in-hand in this little town.

  25. bob says:

    THEY MAY HAD DONE THIS MORE THAN ONCE….HABIT….
    ALL THE BOYS SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO PLAY OF
    ANY FOOTBALL TEAM. THEY SHOULD ALL BE PUT IN JAIL…..

    REAL MEN DO NOT RAPE WOMEN….SICK PATHETIC PEOPLE DO..
    THEY SHOULD GET A POLICE RECORD…

  26. Dick Hall says:

    That kid could really use some ‘Dexter’ style justice.

  27. Thank you so much for bringing this to light. This video literally made me nauseated…But it had to be seen.

    You and Anonymous have done SO much to help this girl (Although I have no doubt that it would still be in the dark today without your coverage.)

  28. I am horrified by the video and by the boy’s disregard for another human life. It is a tragedy that only one young man spoke out… however, he should have done something.

  29. snapjudy says:

    Steubenville rape case discussed in detail on Anderson Cooper 360 CNN..tonight… repeat at 10 tonight..your time, I think… we just caught the last ten minutes.. it is great.. Judy

  30. John Doe #6 says:

    Did anyone here hear any of the sheriff’s radio appearance this morning? I’m wondering if anyone can comfirm the @KYAnonymous tweets or the quotes from Darkon at http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?38433-The-Steubenville-incident-v.-Anonymous&p=1356717. (the @KYAnonymous tweets are on the page prior, if you want to know what I’m talking about)

    Hopefully a tape of this will find its way to the public. “Sunshine is the best disinfectant,” as a wise man recently said.

  31. IknowSteubenville says:

    Did anyone else notice the girl who walked in the door near the end of the video? Where was her head?

  32. Elliot N says:

    FBI was tipped early on to that element to the case. The Cincy office to be exact. If I recall initial reports correctly the photos were possibly sent or texted via cell phone but not internet. Normally once the State, meaning BCI is assigned a case such as this then The Feds normally let them handle it. All that has come out publically so far is that the cell phones that were examined did not yield any additional persons to be charged and the one BCI person was quoted as stating the newer generation I phones are encrypted in such a way as to make data retrieval very difficult. I am just repeating what was stated and not whether I feel it is accurate in terms of the I Phones. And while it seems pretty clear that others were involved pert of the difficulty that police are facing is that reportedly the victim has no recall of the rape which means that prosecutors are left trying to build a case without the single most important person to help them. I was impressed early on with comments that Chief in Steubenville made and also that Sherrif Abdalla made and I am not ready to feel that they are anything but good decent cops that want justice for this victim. But they have a tall task when people do not come forward and when they have a victim who reportedly is almost unable to assist since it has been reported she does not recall the rape. It seems the prosecution will correctly focus on the fact that a passed out victim cannot give consent and that is true. My fear is that some of the real advocacy here for the victim has seen some “painting everyone with a broad brush” surface and important to realize that there are many good people in Steubenville and not every athlete or football player in town is evil. In fact there were some “townies” at the protest too so dont let all the GREAT work that has been done for this young victim fall by the wayside due to “painting everyone with a broad brush”. Yes I agree others were involved in this crime but when people are not coming forward and cops are left with a victim with no memory of events they have a tall task in regard to charging others unless people speak up. What brought many of us together was and should remain “advocacy” for this victim

    • prinnie says:

      There were A LOT of townies at the rally and they wore the mask to protect their identity. They fear repercussion for speaking out about this case — and myself and others were scared into silence with a defamation suit. I truly understand why they would hide their identity.

      • FartSmeller says:

        One has to wonder about a town in which some of it’s citizens are afraid to show their faces at a legal public protest. What is going on in a town where there is such an atmosphere of paranoia among it’s own citizens?

  33. John Doe says:

    Wow. Am so glad people like you and the people at Anonymous helped uncover the truth in this case. Disgusting how the DA and School and Football Team covered everything up and tried to destroy evidence. I hope all that are truly guilty suffer and are sentenced appropriately and or disbarred/fired.

  34. Elliot N says:

    I fully undretsnd why people would wear a mask.The whole idea of the lawsuit in my opinion was to unmask people.

  35. Elliot N says:

    As one of the “John Does” I can relate. BTW just saw you on AC360 and rest assured tons of people did and people around the Country are talking. You started the awareness and then those dudes and ladies with the masks threw it into overdrive and no doubt that many many victims will benefit from a heighteneed awareness and future victims will be prevented and just maybe somebody next time does the right thing to stop it. Shes our sister, shes our daughter,shes our neighbor.

    • prinnie says:

      Shes our sister, shes our daughter,shes our neighbor.

      Indeed.

      I saw me on there, too. I am glad that people are talking and that my blogs on this have raised awareness about this case and that there are other victims. I want to see those girls and women have the courage to come forward. Rape is NOT okay. EVER.

  36. Cricket says:

    More than 20 yrs ago I trusted the wrong person, a person much older than I was, a person that Is no stranger to the little river towns. The short story is that I was raped by the man. I said no and knew that it didn’t matter – his eyes burned a fear in me that was paralyzing and he was so strong. He bit me repeatedly, my shoulders, chest & arms and while I begged him to stop, he uttered words that I will never forget, “pain is good”. As he walked away he said, “I knew you would be good”. It took me years to understand that a rapist is gratified with the victims terror. For weeks I watched the bruises (indentations of his teeth) that were branded into my skin turn colors until they faded away. I blamed myself for having bad judgement, I felt shame for my family to ever know, and because of who he was I felt certain that telling authorities would be pointless. That I would ultimately feel worse. All of these years Later I still remember clearly the pain he inflicted on me. Upside there are many days when I don’t think about it and when I do it’s usually because I see his disgusting face in the area. I was told not so long ago to forgive him and that would be helpful to me. Well, I’m not feeling it, after all of these years I don’t forgive him. On my worst days I tell myself that one day he will die a natural death and the world will be just a little bit better of a place. Backing a girl or woman into a corner to assault them is the act of a beast not a man. Keep forging a head for the victim, she has the world standing behind her. And maybe as justice reveals itself the attitudes some have about woman and rape will mature and change. As for the beast, if you figure out who I am, don’t approach me, I’m not a kid anymore. Thank you Prinnie & Knight Sec I hope you to read this. The attitude towards women has existed for years & unfortunately has set an example for the young men.

    • uihfiyugsf6766@hotmail.com says:

      Then clearly you should punish him. Name him on local blogs, doubtless there are many other victims such as yourself and this beast you describe should not be allowed to die without being publically accountable for his likely decades of brutal violation of young women.
      If your story is true, which I have no doubt that it is – then you should name him and shame him. By the time he’s worked out who did it another 20 victims will be telling similar stories. There should be nowhere to run for these sick rapist animals. They destroy lives.

    • SabritHadid says:

      Dear Cricket, have to agree with those that suggested you forgive, it is hard, I know. To NOT forgive is to allow him to hold power over you, of which, he should not at all. he has NO part in your life now. I do not know the motive of those who suggested forgiveness, maybe some would hope it would just go away. My motive is for your healing and well being, to not have ANY of his putrid “vibes” as part of your life. The Greatest Philosopher did say, “Father forgive them, they know not what they do”. While some DID know they were executing an innocent man, there also was so much unknown. This IDIOT that did this to you is simply so full of himself, he cannot comprehend anything else, not even compassion to another human being. He is really pitiful mess then! So, DO NOT accept his “gift”, find a way to forgive him, do not let his anger fester in you and eat you up, if he is not called to human justice…. he still will be called to a Greater Justice. Much Love and solidarity.

      • noone says:

        Sabrit you are well meaning but do not ask someone raped to forgive their rapist. She needs to forgive herself and get support and recognize herself as a survivor. She can make peace with herself and power herself to rid herself of the poison. She does not have to ever forgive her rapist.

        • noone says:

          I reported mine when I turned 18. He was out of state [he always moved when he knew a report was coming and had reports filed in other states]. He continued his life as pillar of society while I went into hiding and avoiding. His new place he was well loved by many, churchy girlfriend, good with kids, and had a donkey for all the children to ride at his place. That was one of his mo’s to spend time with and get close to kids. Yours has an mo for pain. You weren’t the first or last. It wasn’t your fault. You and others should not have to spend a life of fear in the shadows while he moves on through life like he’s still in charge. If you find the strength and courage to do so report him. Even if they don’t pursue on your case if other charges are ever filed its going to weigh against him.

  37. SF says:

    Adult crimes, adult court.

  38. Jen says:

    This is all so appalling.

    I hope the young people of Steubenville, the teens that might have seen something at one of those parties or those who might have posted something thoughtlessly online, I hope they realize that it’s not too late to do the right thing. I think we should encourage that they can still do something to help bring all of the facts to the surface, to help start the healing for a girl who is surviving this brutal event and for the entire town of Steubenville:

    It’s not too late to come forward and share what you know. Speaking up should not be feared and telling the truth is not something you should be afraid of. Speaking up takes courage and coming forward takes strength, even if you posted pictures or cruel words, you can still make a difference.

    I have to keep this hope every time I start thinking about this case and my anger boils. In December a young Indian woman died after being beaten and gang raped. I watched her country’s rage in response to this crime and demand changes to the way rape and sexual assault against women are viewed and handled in the justice system. Yet from news articles, blogs and interviews, it appears that some people in this town are content with hiding, blocking communication in a public sphere and discouraging others from coming forward. While India roars, the apparent silence of Steubenville is deafening.

    People can still lead the way. Speak up.

  39. [...] repeatedly raped by two football players. Instead of reporting the rape, other young people created video joking about the rape, tweeted about it, and even posted pictures of two teenage boys holding the girl who is limp, and [...]

  40. MsLovelee says:

    Women do not come forward because “she wanted it” is an acceptable excuse. The Congress wont renew the Violence Against Women Act and have created more laws against women’s rights than any other time since women did not have any rights. The justification that the coaches and people of authority are using is repulsive. There should be a law against “voyeuring a crime” and not helping. You get arrested for hiding a camera in a toilet and looking at people, peeping through windows, stalking, why not get arrested for taking photos and videos of a crime occurring and not calling police or helping the victim to only spread it via social media. Spreading it is as bad as the person who committed it. That person just watched, how barbaric. Its a crime of humanity and only shows how children are being raised to believe that standing up for someone is ratting someone out. Your only a rat if you participate and its obvious so many did participated by watching. I hope that Karma rears her ugly head and takes care of those who think they can hide their little secret. We know what you did last summer.

    • noone says:

      Agree. The ones taking video or passing pictures need to be charged with creation of and distribution of child pornography at minimum. Deleting pictures is destruction of evidence and interfering with an investigation. The ones who were there were accessories. If I go with my friends to the bank and they rob it with me giggling off to the side and I leave with them wouldn’t they charge me as an accessory even if I was not the one wielding the weapon?

  41. JWD says:

    This is really sad to watch. May God be with this young lady in her time of need. I also pray for those young men, whose faces are all over the internet now and forever; their lives are ruined in the court of public opinion, which is much worse than any sentence a judge and jury could charge. If I lived in this small town, those young men would never be welcomed anywhere near me or my family as I would never want to be labeled associating with people who show such lack of regard for human dignity and life. So, I guess going forward there’s a learning curve for all of us parents who watched this video. We need to teach our daughters to be aware of potential situations like this and how to respond and for our sons, how to respect women and not see them as sexual objects. While I was watching this video; I thought about how horrible this is for everyone involved; to think that my daughter could have been the victim and I have a son about the age of those in the video. I think this video is going to be a learning tool later and a source of open discussion after school.

  42. johnny noname says:

    he should be castrated :)

  43. Cyndi says:

    I hope these lil bastards are convicted and thrown into prision and gang raped by their cellmates every waking moment. Because that is what they deserve! Their parents should also be held responsible for their actions. In the light of this video, the coach, High school and football team should all suffer for the actions by these young men. OSU should take back the scholarship and no other college should take him or anyone involved. Such disregard for human life. Watching the lil jackass play with hisself while hes talking about it was sick. I’m sure they will get theirs one way or another especially after this video. Hoping and praying that they get what they deserve. Only demented idiots would record it.

  44. snapjudy says:

    Cricket, I am so sorry that you too, suffer from being sexually abused. I hope you know now, that it was NOT your fault.
    We recommend that you file a report with the police, you do not deserve to live in fear of him.
    Also, keep in mind that child predators rarely have only one victim, and they do not sit down one day and decide to stop. They can never be around kids, ever.
    On this link, is a terrific person who has helped me so much, and her book is a must read. ” Miss America by Day”.. here is link and watch her interview.
    http://www.missamericabyday.com/

    Thank you for sharing,
    Judy Jones, SNAP Midwest Associate Director, 636-433-2511
    our local snap web site.. http://www.steubenvilletruth.org/

  45. JD#13 says:

    Cricket, I’m so sorry for you and what you had to endure. Maybe telling your story will encourage others to come forward. You are very brave. We are seeking justice for our little girl from August but for you and other victims as well. Take care of yourself and stay strong.

  46. llourveme says:

    You can hear that other boy in the room who tries to say what had happened was wrong. You can hear him tell that Nodi kid he was “messed up” and “should listen to himself speak”. I think he’s the only who asked Nodi what if that was his daughter being humiliated. There was a sliver of humanity there that night. It just wasn’t enough. :’(

    • The Boz says:

      He is still a wimp.

      Whining in the background is not action.

      Whining helplessly=wimp.

      Now, had he gone onto to kick some ass and actually rescue the girl……

  47. Natasha says:

    Now why can’t one of these gun toting maniacs go after these kinds of people instead of little kids? I just don’t get it…

  48. NiteVoice says:

    The only way to see that these monsters get what they deserve is to DEMAND that they be tried as adults , and will be required to register as sex offenders. Coaches and other school officials MUST be fired . . . none of this ” suspended with pay ” B.S. Further, those who have scholarships MUST have their scholarship revoked and be EXPELLED immedieately.
    I can only wonder how this “judge” Lipps can allow this to be concidered a juevinile offense . I wonder what color of Lexus they promised him.

  49. RICO'd marijuana dealer says:

    Federal Grand Juries are made for situations just like this as opposed to investigating marijuana transactions. With the election over, AG Holder has no reason not to order one to be convened in Cincinnati to take take testimony on the multitude of crimes alleged to have been committed as well as the crimes commited in the coverup.

  50. Judy Jones says:

    Steubenville on CNN Anderson Cooper again tonight…

    Judy

  51. MikeinLA says:

    I heard about this story on KFI AM640 radio here in Los Angeles and followed the stories to your website. You are doing an amazing job at uncovering the truth. As a former Buckeye with a son currently at Ohio State, I join the poster above in being sickened that this punk is wearing an OSU T-shirt. I’m wondering if the Ohio State Lantern is following this story, I’m going to check. This Nodianos punk should be outed and shunned at OSU. Keep up the good work.

  52. Bonnie says:

    I can’t believe there aren’t thousands of comments on this post. I was so incredibly angry when I heard about this story, I could hardly contain myself. WTF is wrong with these kids?! And his buddies laughing about it is equally as disturbing. It makes me as angry as when I unwittingly went to an open mic comedy night and was so enraged I had to write about it (if you feel like reading it): http://www.bclef.com/2011/04/just-suggestion-to-any-potential.html You’re my hero for investigating this story and bringing so much to light. Really, thank you.

  53. ResoL101 says:

    Agreed. Great job sticking by your guns and making everyone aware of this horrendous attack. I hope they all get what’s coming to them; The coaches involved, the parents, the students laughing in the background…ALL of them need to be punished HARSHLY for this. I applaud your efforts and bravery to see this through to the end. Sic em girl.

  54. K says:

    This is an example of the bystander effect. I think that if more people knew about it then maybe events such as this one would occur less.

  55. jeanne711 says:

    When I listened it made me physically sick. Then to say things like she’s as dead as Kaylee Anthony and Nicole Simpson…this person must have the mindset of a person like Charlie Manson. Then to say basically he wouldn’t do anything even if it was his daughter, well I can only hope that the good Lord never allows him to experience the miracle of becomming a parent

    • prinnie says:

      The things he said are vicious and thoughtless. I honestly do feel terribly for his family. I can’t imagine having to live with this shame.

    • prinnie says:

      But the picture “is out of context,” Madison said. “That young lady is not unconscious,” as has been widely reported.

      I’m no expert, but unpixelated — she is NOT conscious. Her head is all the way back. No one purposely holds their head the way it was in the photo.

  56. Peggy Graham says:

    THOSE KIDS AND THE ADULTS HIDING THEM IN STEUBENVILLE ARE JUST THE LATEST ABOMINATION. SOMETHING MUST BE DONE NOW. We need to get experts together and set up a curriculum that teaches ethics and manners in the schools starting in Kindergarten and continuing through Seniors in High School. We have an emergency in Jefferson County. Perhaps, Bill Gates and/or Warren Buffet could provide the seed money. People should learn basic manners and ethics. We know from the “60 Minutes” segment that children make value judgments as young as 2 months old. Parenting is inconsistent and religion is not allowed in the school, but basic manners and good judgment need to be taught now.

    We did it to the lawyers. Let’s start with ethics and manners with the children now. Let the ACLU sue. Did you see those boys in that Steubenville video. We don’t have time to argue about religion. We need non- partisan action now.

  57. Elliot N says:

    Attorney for Trent Mays revealed on CNN that the day after the rape the victim allegedly sent a text to Trent Mays allegedly stating: “I know you didnt rape me”. Attorney for Malik Richmond also confirmed this evidence, the text message, exists and all parties close to the case are aware of it. Let me make my opinion clear,zero doubt that victim was sexually assaulted and raped, but as sad and hard as it is to think about, it is possible that defense can raise sufficient “reasonable doubt” and while that does not mean “innocent” it would be sad but really this entire case seems to hinge on what the victims state of awareness was. Victim can always sue in civil court wher the burden is lighter but as much as I believe the Defendents to be guilty I can see skilled defense creating perhaps sufficient “reasonable doubt” and that text message revealed tonite on CNN is a blow to the prosecution. Let me make it clear: I feel in my opinion victim was raped but if presiding Judge is true to his oath and truly rules based only on the evidence presented in trial and the burden being “beyond any reasonable doubt”, it is possible they could walk, sad but its possible. Not an easy case for Prosecutors since they are arguing a rape case that rests on the victims state of awareness. My belief is not wavering in my opinion victim was raped but there is ample room for skilled defense lawyers. Sadly.

    • noone says:

      That comment could mean so many things. For one she had no memory and could have been in complete denial. She could have meant it as a question “I know you didnt rape me [right? please say you didn't]“. Where she might have been hoping at least someone pretending to be nice to her wouldn’t have left her to the wolves or participated. Ugh the levels of betrayal and lack of regard for a girls feelings, well being, and life just sickens me. She could have meant it as a statement “I know you didn’t rape me [you personally because I am still hoping someone was truly my friend]” where she was not admitting to consent but just not believing someone in particular would have participated. If I were on a jury that message would not sway me. It is already obvious from other tweets and pictures and video that the girl was not in shape for consent if she had consented for even a moment. I agree it could be used against her and some people would be okay with that but only because of the morality of those people who would blame her anyway regardless of what happened.

      • You are right about the fact that since JD has no memory of the rape, that makes any text message from her about the rape irrelevant. Now we can see reports and her own social media evidence that she lost her phone and that her phone was demonstrably not in her possession when that one text (about Mays not raping her) was sent. If someone else had her phone at the time of the text, that person should face a criminal investigation for any misuse of her phone to falsify evidence. That level of evidence falsification is some pretty serious business. Let us hope this is already being investigated by outside authorities.

  58. ResoL101 says:

    Subpoena all the phone companies and let the texts, timestamps of the texts and the few students who WILL do the right thing come forward. I mean for all we know if she DID write this to Mays there might have been a question mark after the comment?

  59. Karen says:

    And now the young woman is receiving death threats? Insane. Insane.
    Keep up the good work Anonymous. Maybe you can figure out who is threatening them.

  60. Elliot N says:

    Good point you make as to that text message could also have been “taken out of context” as you point out. Its not an easy case for the prosecutors and note that my opinion is not wavering as to my belief that rape occured. But lets face it the Defendents are going to state that they remember everything clearly and victim as alleged in CNN news reports does not recall anything about the rape or sexual assault. So as impassioned as we all are, myself included, can you imagine trying to prosecute this case to a verdict “beyond any reasonable doubt”? Sad

  61. Cricket says:

    I find it hard to believe some involved parties weren’t messaging her trying to cover their butts. IF she sent it perhaps it was her wanting to believe he didn’t or wouldn’t violate her. Not being able to remember anything would have to be intimidating. Actually the Nodi video contains a lot of info., if you can stand to watch it more than once.

  62. Elliot N says:

    Cricket you make good pints and I can tell you since I saw it with my own eyes on Twitter that yes one of the Defendents definately tweeted the victim and if I reacll correctly it made me think the same thing that there was some attempt to cover his tracks with her and you also may be correct that she may have been replying to that. I dont feel that the text message she sent allegedly to Trant Mays is in question just since I dont think two lawyers would state that on CNN when they are involved in the case directly. What happened to this victim is disgusting. I just hope they can prove it.

  63. ResoL101 says:

    All I know is we have GOT to stop letting these crimes and the perpetrators of them go unpunished. I mean even if they are somehow found innocent…They should have it follow them around – Forever. I’m still sick to death over the case involving David Cash Jr. google that one. He’s walking around without a care in the world now days…and for Sherrice’s family. The “prove it” details of this Stuebenville attack is eerily similar to this one.

    http://youtu.be/KqTdXOQmXrc Part 1

    http://youtu.be/xJeAOcC7c6M Part 2

    • FartSmeller says:

      Here’s some more info on this solid citizen.

      http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,139892,00.html

      Note the truly disturbing comment: “In Nevada, California and in fact most of the U.S., doing nothing about a crime is no crime at all. Only a handful of states – including Vermont, Wisconsin and Minnesota – have “duty to assist” laws requiring those who witness a crime to offer aid and report it.”

      Incredible. So I can watch as a little girl is sexually assaulted and then murdered and not so much as lift a finger to dial 911 and I am considered innocent? More like an accessory if you ask me.

  64. BooBoo says:

    Well her attorney also said he knows of the message but he didn’t really seem too concerned with it. Let’s remember, the girl didn’t even know she was raped until she saw what was being said on line on Twitter, Instagram and FB. Do we know for sure she wasn’t being told at school that her BF raped her at the party and she text him about it where he denies it saying something like you know I wouldn’t do that to you etc and her reply was, I know you didn’t rape me. Just a thought!

    • prinnie says:

      EXACTLY and things can be taken out of context. Look at the context in which comments on this very blog were being used to make a claim of defamation of character suit.

  65. concerned in WI says:

    Hello, all, from Wisconsin. I too only recently heard about this. I have been reading as much as I can find about it. I’m a former cop. I came upon and stopped the rape-in-progress of a 17 year-old girly in my small village several years ago. Knowing how that still affects me, I can not imagine how these victims are scarred. I started watching the video at the top of this thread but, a minute or so in, I just couldn’t watch any more. I seriously thought about driving to Steubenville for today’s event. Just know that my spirit is with all of you, especially the victim. I did write a letter to President Obama asking that the DOJ/FBI get involved. I know it’s a futile effort, but it’s something.

    Elliot and BooBoo both raise great points. I have seen enough cases prosectured first-hand that I know the prosecution has their work cut out for them. I actually tip my cap to Attorney Madison for his conduct and trying to let the system work. This case is going to stand on the evidence from social media. The “I know you didn’t rape me” text will not be a major obstacle to overcome. An unconscious victim would have no way of making such a statement with any certainty.

    I hope and pray that those “good” students of Steubenville will continue to come forward and cooperate with the prosecution. I also hope and pray that more charges will be forthcoming. Finally, I hope and pray that the school board witll do their job and take strong and decisive disciplinary action against all involved. Most all schools have a code of conduct and violations – even outside of school activities – can and MUST be sanctioned in the strongest of terms.

    Keep the faith, people of Steubenville! The world really IS watching.

  66. concerned in WI says:

    I do have a few more thoughts…The ROLLREDROLL football page boasts “Ohio’s First Dynasty.” The first definition of “dynasty” on dicitionary.com is “a sequence of rulers from the same family, stock, or group: the Ming dynasty.” Therein lies the problem. Some obviously see sports and their supporters as dynastic, or rulers. They inherently set the rules, and no one has the right to question or challenge those folks. This is why I have little faith in your local officials to set things right. I’m hopeful that the state can, but I’m not convinced at this point. It seems to me that the only way to truly change Steubenville is for the feds to get involved and investigate the allegations of corruption. I’m no expert on the RICO statutes, but it seems that the DOJ/FBI could begin the investigation based on the deprivation of the girl’s civil rights. That could then open the door to a wider net.

    My second thought is related to the owner of a furniture and appliance store who was quoted on CNN. I agree that we should not paint all of Steubenville – or all of the school or all of the athletes – with a broad brush. Yet, I would ask that gentleman what he is doing to show the world that the “bad” are a minority in your town. Has he started a fund to assist the victim with the years of counseling that she is sure to need? Has he started a petition or letter-writing campaign to the federal or state justice officials to investigate the allegations of corruption? Has he stood up at a school board meeting to demand that ALL who were involved be investigated and at least disciplined by the school?

    Actions speak louder than words. The good people of Steubenville, unfortunately, now need to stand up and show that goodness. Standing by and painting themselves as the victims might be compared to those who stood by watching and taking pictures/videos during the crimes in question. You’re either part of the problem or part of the solution.

    • JD#13 says:

      concerned in WI, you make some excellent points and I believe you have offered a valid and honorable challenge to the good people of that area — and I know there are good people there, as there are good people in every city/town. Perhaps some of your suggestions will be embraced and an honest effort to help the victim and her family will be made. Someone must take the first step to begin the healing process for this girl, her family, and the good people of that community. There is strength in numbers.

    • Chimay says:

      Wisco – I was really struck by the comments from the store owner as well. He seemed more concerned about the town’s reputation than anything else …. the victim, justice, standing up for what is right, etc. He could have used that air time to express concern for the town, acknowledge that its reputation rests solidly on the shoulders of the perpetrators, bystanders and involved adults, and encourage them to come forward. In the end, he just came off as a pompous clown.

      Another thing that struck me in that segment was the bullying expert’s thoughts on why children don’t come forward with information in these situations – because they don’t trust that the adults around them will be supportive and protect them from fallout with their peers. I think that hit the nail squarely on the head – football is so important in this town that no one has the power to challenge the culture and if they try, they pay a hefty price.

      So my apologies, Mr. Store Owner …your town is rotten. It created and nurtured this culture in exchange for notoriety and economic gain, and everyone has stood idly by in the meantime, including parents, adults and educators that are responsible for raising children into decent, caring, honest human beings. Steubenville has failed them, all in the name of football.

      Gross.

    • FartSmeller says:

      concerned in WI wrote: “The first definition of “dynasty” on dicitionary.com is “a sequence of rulers from the same family, stock, or group: the Ming dynasty.” Therein lies the problem. Some obviously see sports and their supporters as dynastic, or rulers. They inherently set the rules, and no one has the right to question or challenge those folks. This is why I have little faith in your local officials to set things right.”

      As a school teacher myself with many years experience, I can tell you that you are absolutely spot on the money here. Let me share just one personal story out of many examples I could cite. I know a young lady who started her teaching career in the public schools but left to teach in the private school where I am employed. One day, she shared with me how she had come to leave the public school system. Upon graduation from college, she applied for numerous positions as a school teacher, but after careful consideration accepted a position teaching English literature in a public school not far from where I live. She showed up for her new job bright eyed and eager to teach. Sadly, as new kid on the block, she drew the short straw and ended up teaching a class which none of the other English teachers wanted to teach – a “special” class designed specifically for the school’s star athletes to insure that they would not fail. Yes. You read that right. This class was intentionally dumbed down so that the sports gods could manage to pass it. Several of the young men in the class were even “re-classed” – meaning that they were getting a “do-over” of their junior or senior years just so they could continue to play their sport of choice for another year or two. Yes, this is quite common in schools these days also. Young men who SHOULD be freshmen or sophomores in college rubbing shoulders with your 15 year old daughter in the same class. But I digress.

      At any rate, she had been teaching this class for a couple of weeks, growing increasingly frustrated with the total lack of respect she was getting from the sports superstars and finding that all her efforts at classroom discipline were in vain. Finally, one day one of her “special” students wanted to go to the bathroom or wander the halls or do whatever so he just simply got up and strolled across the room and out of the door…completely ignoring her as she called out to him. When he finally returned about 30 minutes later, she confronted him in front of the entire class about his behavior. His response? He grabbed her, pinned her against the wall, and groped her sexually! Then he told her there was more where that came from if she didn’t shut her mouth. Shaken, she called the school office and immediately the principal and a resource officer came and removed the student from her class. His punishment for the incident? He received out-of-school suspension for four days and sat out ONE ballgame! Her punishment? Constant harassment in the form of notes on her board, anonymous tweets, veiled threats, etc. In fact, in a followup meeting with her principal, he actually admonished her for confronting the student in front of the class rather than privately – suggesting that this had escalated the incident. Needless to say, she resigned her post mid year.

      So I ask you…if you were a teacher and you witnessed these kinds of things day in and day out year after year, what would your conclusion be? I can tell you – The Cult of Sports dominates our culture and poisons many of our academic institutions. Is it any wonder that our sports celebrities…among the highest paid people on earth…are some of the most morally decadent and corrupt people on the planet? It’s sad.

  67. Linda says:

    Keep up the good work.

  68. Susan Guy says:

    If you were a teenage girl who knows she was raped, wouldn’t you send a message to your boyfriend saying, “I know you didn’t rape me”, desperately wanting to believe he didn’t take part in it. She is a teenager in love, believing he loved her. She never said that she wasn’t raped. She has been betrayed by everybody. How sad.

  69. JR says:

    Cole testified at the prelim in October that they had the pass code to her phone. Assuming the text claim is legit, it won’t stand up to cross. End of problem.

  70. Brandon King says:

    You, my dear, deserve to be commended!

  71. Mike says:

    If it was my daughter there would all ready have been a prairie oyster party with the “lil Red Riding Hood” football teams BIG YELLOW cowards providing the oysters. It appears to be a corrupt lil town where only outside prosecutors and investigators will make a difference. The respect shown young women is closer to Afghanistan than America. The snivling OSU student should be castrated as he is unfit to be a parent ever. Any girl he dates should have to watch his performance repeatedly before going on a date. That should narrow his dating pool significantly. He should never have a daughter or son. If I was his father, I would disown him.

  72. Mike says:

    Steubenville. Home of the Coward. How embarrassing that not one other person had the integrity to stand up for this girl. Not a single good Samaritan in that crowd. Is it the water that creates sociopaths? What an embarrassment of a town. Big Red….in embarrassment

  73. Cyberbullying is a crime. It occurs when someone uses mobile technologies or the Web to deliberately embarrass, harass or hurt someone else. Michael Nodianos must go to jail, and he is over 18 years old. not a juvenile.

    • BooBoo says:

      While I completely agree with what you are saying, it wasn’t Nodianos who uploaded the video to YouTube. From the screen shot Prinnie posted on the other topics, it appears to be Evan Westlake who not only took the video but also uploaded it to the internet. So the question in regards to what you are saying regarding cyberbullying is, who do you charge? The one who took the video and placed it on the internet or, the one in the video saying the crap he was saying or, both?

      • JD#13 says:

        BooBoo, maybe both are culpable, at the very least for knowing what was happening to the victim, describing her as “dead”, yet no calls to 911 for medical aid. if only one person had stepped in, said this is wrong, called a parent or another adult, called the police — anything except what they did — which was nothing. Total lack of empathy and humanity for another human being.

  74. loyaljustice says:

    WTOV9.com showed interviews with the sheriff stating, that it’s not the real Anon doing this, then he made threats to an individual, stating” I’m coming after you, I know where you live, your mom lives…”. For what? Bringing light to a case that would have been swept under the rug? Just goes to show how they do things around there. Another interview the cop in charge of the investigation was asked if what the guy in the video was doing was a crime? The cop says ” That’s not for me to decide”…What, you’re a cop and you don’t know what is against the law. Lawyer for the defendants saying they won’t get a fair trial because of media and internet coverage. Well good, get a change of venue, because that poor young girl won’t get a fair trial in that county.

    • concerned in WI says:

      loyaljustice: You have hit on a common misconception. Police do not issue criminal charges. They can hold someone on suspicion, but the actual criminal charges are issued by the prosecutor. Chief McCafferty was exactly right.

      On my earlier points, I am providing a link to the Ohio Attorney General’s Victim Services web page. The Jefferson County Prosecutor’s office probably has a victim/witness coordinator, but in this situation I am sure a lot of people are (rightfully?) hesitant to turn there. So hopefully the store owner I spoke of earlier will set about working with the AG’s office to establish a support system for the victim. Better yet, if Mr. Saltsman is genuinely remorseful-as his lawyerly statement indicates- perhaps HE can initiate a support system for her.

      http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Individuals-and-Families/Victims

      • loyaljustice says:

        Concerned: The chief was asked if it was a crime, I’m pretty sure he should know what a “crime” is, why they are arresting someone. Otherwise, they can “hold/arrest” someone for breathing. But all that is apples and oranges.

  75. Outraged on the east coast says:

    Like many others above, I am new to this story. Since reading an article on NYmag.com two days ago, I have been devouring every bit of information I can find about this case. To be honest, I never heard of this town until now, and its a shame that they will now be known as the place where that horrendous gang rape occurred. I am sure that there are many wonderful people there who don’t deserve that.

    I have never been comfortable with anonymous internet vigilantes, but I have to applaud Anonymous and KnightSec in this instance. And of course this website is the catalyst of it all…*standing ovation*.

    Now that the world is watching, I hope the state of Ohio finally starts turning those wheels, and everyone involved is brought to the justice they deserve. (As an aside, those two boys being tried as juveniles is ridiculous. They are old enough to know that what they did is outrageously wrong. They would definitely be tried as adults here, and would be in jail, not at home. Even in this liberal state.).

    For the sociopath in the video, I have nothing to add that hasn’t already been said. I just feel for his mother…she must be destroyed over this. Where do you even go after your son is shown to the world in this way? I have boys, and I can’t imagine how she must be feeling.

    Most of all, I hope that the victim is able to move on to a happy and successful life. As a survivor, I know it is possible – with a lot of help. She has a long road ahead of her…I hope she knows that there are many people out here who wish her well, and that we stand with her in spirit.

    • prinnie says:

      I have said from the beginning that from the moment these boys stepped over that line – from that moment on Steubenville was going to forever be “that town”; their school would forever be “that school”; and their families would be known for “that boy”. They caused so much grief and shame in their decisions that night.

      • Pete Basil says:

        Just my opinion, but if everyone would have done their job properly and thoroughly from the begining, then this incident would not have blown up to be as big as it is. The ball was dropped from the begining, kids that should be accountable for their actions were given immunity for thier testimony….No the world is watching and not only will justice be served for this victim, but your skeletons will be brought out of those closets that have been locked for so many years….

        • prinnie says:

          Mays’ attorney is now alleging that a letter was sent to the others that if they testify against the two defendants they would not be prosecuted. Wasn’t it reported that they were given immunity? AG’s office is emphatically denying immunity. This is going to get interesting.

      • Outraged on the east coast says:

        All very true – it’s a disaster from start to finish. But Prinnie, what about those families…what burden to they share in this? (Those boys didn’t decide that rape is ok on their own.) Is the community supporting them or are they being ostracized?

        • Pete Basil says:

          Outraged….These kid in this town whether it is not bein raised right or something else, I can tell you this much. I’ve seen a lot of the kids in this town grow up and I see what they say to each other and what they write on their Facebook pages…I see them liking and idolizing gangsters and people that promote violence. Most of them thing the kingpin that founded the “Crip” and “Gangster Disciples” gangs are the greatest people in the world. I’ve seen some of these kids state on their FB pages they go to school in the streets and their profession is dealing drugs and getting money. Society has changed greatly, however, parents and teachers have not addressed the issues at hand….Most of these kids are growning up believing it i ok to treet people that way and abuse woman and fight and steal and rob to gain any respect….the worst part of it all is they are in schools and homes and no adult ou there is telling them it is wrong!

  76. Outraged on the east coast says:

    @Pete: agree 110% and I hope you are right.

  77. Kellen says:

    To East Coast: if the liberal state you are in is New Jersey, then I have to disagree. With respect of course. As a ‘target’ (I am not comfortable when the word victim is used about me and I certainly do not feel like a survivor) I can tell you that a liberal state such as New Jersey well … has the same issues. Maybe worse if that is possible. I keep saying over and over for the last days of watching this story unfold that Steubenville = Montclair/Little Falls. To a sad, sad ‘t’ it does.

    I am so very heartbroken for the girl and her family. My life is ruined. Destroyed. But I am an adult and at the least I had more years before my worldview was obliterated. I hope very much that justice is served for her and she can heal somehow. I am sickened as you all are by the whole lot of the criminals here. Criminals by anyone’s definition. This blog and Anon – heros.

    What I don’t like to see in the media or public opinion is an averance that Steubenville has this problem for any reason other than as a culture we’ve moved away from caring. Which can lead to corruption. Which can lead to the ‘target’ of a horrendous crime or any crime – up for the battle of their lives if they want justice. I am relieved to have heard today mutterings that this is not unique to Steubenville. Corruption can happen anywhere. No matter the financial class or any other factor. It’s a dark side, the underbelly, of humanity – and until it reaches our own doorsteps, or is radically pressed into our sights – we ignore it. That’s a change that needs to happen. Montclair is an affluent town and both Montclair and Little Falls are in highly populated areas – not isolated geographically. Yet when I read the details about Steubenville – all I see are the similarities. From the restaurant where the law and cronies meet to school board members related to cops who are tied to attorney’s etc – up to judges who don’t do their jobs. It goes on and on up the ladder as a target, victim, survivor – clings to hope for justice until strength is drained away. I could go on. In Montclair, the words ‘my [brother, cousin, friend, whatever] is a cop, so you better be careful!’ are spoken over and over. I never knew what that meant. Now I know. I think corruption comes from being unchecked – too many people get a favor and another and heads grow bigger and cronies do favors and it just goes on and on. Filth like any man who attacks a woman in any way – they smell this out and use it to their advantage. What you get is a Steubenville like we are all watching now.

    I agree with everything else said. Totally. It’s a fine day today to see so many people want a change, and justice and just what we all expect from a civilized society like we call ourselves. In my situation and now this one and so many more too – it’s hopefully going to open people’s eyes to the fact that we take laws and systems for granted. We think that what we see on t.v. or expect of our systems is true until we or someone we love are in it and the startling, painful reality is that’s just not so. In my situation, normal people are simply broken watching the system shut down and turn out to be an emperor with not knew suit. Liberal state or not.

    Peace.

  78. Outraged on the east coast says:

    Kellen, NJ is certainly not exempt from crime and corruption. My intent was not to cast stones at the whole of Steubenville. Perhaps I was unclear, but I feel sympathy for the town…this notoriety was brought by a few, but is being cast on the whole. It is very easy to sit behind a computer and pass judgement on a whole town, but my outrage is directed only to those directly involved in the crime and cover-up.

    That said, I am confused by your post, as I don’t know your backstory. Since I am so new to this particular story, it has been impossible to keep track of so many people who have been posting. ( I have been reading across several blogs. ) In any case, I guess that it is fair to say that there is a certain amount of hypocrisy in the shock many of us are feeling. Steubenville is certainly not the first time something like this has happened, and I don’t believe that anyone has made the assertion that it is unique in that respect. However, as far as I know, Steubenville is the first time we have seen a crime such as this documented on social media sites, in real time, and in such a gleeful and celebratory way. The tweets and facebook messages are there for all to see. Couple that with the Nordiamos video and it is a deeply troubling picture.

    It can be viewed through the lens of a breakdown of American society at large and the rise of rape culture, or it can be viewed more narrowly as a commentary on the adults in charge of the Steubenville football program, the parents of those boys and the leadership of the town and Jefferson County. Either way, it doesn’t change what happened to that girl, and the fact that not one person at any of those parties thought to call 911 and report it, or even step in to put a stop to it. There are many, many witnesses to this crime. Now they have these Anonymous groups working on it, retrieving data that the police couldn’t…it’s just something many of us have never seen before. I see your connection to Montclair, but the social media evidence is entirely new to me.

    Just a thought…did you think I was agreeing with Pete Basil’s 2nd post about the kids not being raised right? It looks like that in my reply to him. But I was actually agreeing with his first reply to me, whe he said justice will be served, and I truly hope he is right. I think I may have hit reply to the wrong comment. In any case, I don’t know how all the kids in Steubenville are being raised, and I couldn’t begin to comment on that. There are bad seeds everywhere.

  79. Kellen says:

    It’s all good East Coast. The liberal state reference was what made me trigger, and comment. I getcha and I totally agree with what you are saying too. So long as there is discussion, and eyes open now – I guess there is hope for change out in our society. On so many levels. So, again – it’s all good.

    Your other points – agreed. And most certainly the social media and witnesses as part of the problem – they all apply to what happened to me too. All of it. But I think you actually put it better so far as saying (to paraphrase) – it’s best to not get too caught up in the different ways matters like this happen so that the big scope of issues is not overlooked. I am afraid I won’t say this ‘right’ but I’ll try. Bottom line – you have valid points in all. It’s just dangerous (to me, and my humble opinion only) when we see things in too tight an iris or apeture? (I still am not sure i am saying this right). To not be too cryptic some more – what I lived, live also has the online mocking and the same elements of watching and not reporting a crime. Participating by looking on, etc. I suppose that said, I am triggered myself and trying to make a sensible comment regardless.

    I’ve lived this now. Many, many witnesses have watched. We are normal, sane, average law-abiding people. We, I – did not believe a situation in total like you are watching spotlighted by Steubenville now – can happen. The crime itself is so horrible to have happen to a human – and the behaviors of others who could have stepped in before, during and after – I guess until it happens it’s hard to believe it could be true. I know it stunned my ‘people’ for sure. To be ‘heard’ in these situations – is nearly impossible.

    The crime itself – it blows you out of the water. It’s soul-decimating stuff. But from the moment ‘after’ going forward – the rest she, I, and I am certain so many others go through in an environment like Steubenville, and where I am from, makes it so much worse. From the moment of the malicious crime right through the system and the mechanisms that lock up, shut down. On moral levels by bystanders right up through the system that is supposed to keep order and provide justice.

    To me, it’s a problem with violence in general. Violence against women. Violence in general. In our own country. We as a collective, we presume we are better than that. That we are more civilized. I disagree. Next, the culture of corruption. It grows like a seed, into a big ugly tree of injustice.

    I bet not too many people out there knew this could happen. You are not alone. Before my horror – I didn’t know either. Never heard of it. Would have thought all these details, each and every one – were the stuff fiction was about. It’s so sureal to live. It does not seem possible The crime itself. People watching. Posting about it as funny. Cops invovled. Lawyers. Once you beg and plead for help – from the correct sources – the frustration. The dehumanizing. It doesn’t seem possible that it could be so. But it very much is.

    All the levels of horror about this story. Absolutely most importantly – the horror that girl lived through, lives through still. It’s just that I am living it. Each and every element. As are the people that love me. As are the people that try and fight our way through what this blog and anonymous folks just did. Now we know. It’s a small comfort albeit a large trigger – to at least have people out there know this can happen. All of it.

    I’m truly sorry if I am not clarifying right. You’re not wrong, I just worried when I hit the comment key – people would be under the impression they are safe from this kind of thing and in their state it would go differently. I’d hate to ever have anyone else have to live through any of this. It’s almost un-survivable.

    Again, peace.

  80. Judy Jones says:

    This Steubenville rape is so horrific, and the video is despicable.

    Many girls have been sexually abused within the Ohio Valley, and the silence is frightening. I am hoping that these victims feel that it was not their fault, and they are not alone. I know of many.
    I also want to say, that many BOYS have been victims of child sex abuse and rape..and I know of many.. They are very scared to speak up, they feel it was their fault. they feel they will not be believed… BUT it was not their fault, Their abuse also needs to be exposed.

    We are here for all victims of child sex abuse, and I for one, will never stop believing the victims and helping to expose the truth.. There is way too much at stake.. OUR INNOCENT KIDS TODAY..

    Sex abuse is about abuse of POWER… These who abuse their power need to be kicked off their pedestals.. This is not a healthy place for anyone to be.

    Ohio Valley, be an example of truth, justice, and protecting kids today.. We are with you all the way.

    Keep this in mind. silence is not an option anymore.

    Judy Jones, SNAP Midwest Associate Director, USA, 636-433-2511. snapjudy@gmail.com,
    “SNAP (The Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests) is the world’s oldest and largest support group for clergy abuse victims. SNAP was founded in 1988 and has more than 12,000 members. Despite the word priest in our title, we have members who were molested by religious figures of all denominations, including nuns, rabbis, bishops, teachers, Protestant ministers and increasingly, victims who were assaulted in a wide range of institutional settings like orphanages, summer camps, athletic programs, Boy Scouts, etc.”

  81. carolann says:

    Kellen, I don’t know you or what happened but it breaks my heart to see you write that you are “ruined and destroyed” Just by the fact that you are able to write so articulately and show real concern for this JaneDoe andthe problems in Steub. Oh, you are not ruined. I don’t know what else to say in this short space but to say that you are loved and appreciated and have much to offer. Whether you believe in God or not, I pray you find the strength to carry on and keep moving forward. Peace be with you

  82. sicnangry says:

    Just watched Prinnie & her attorney on CNN. She was fantastic, as usual!! Everyone must watch this episode. The host shot Walter Madison (attorney for Richmond) DOWN!!!! He said the video ((nodi laughing) shouldn’t be out there on social media -she said kinda sarcastically “Sorry Mr. Madison, but it is out there. Thank you!” LMAO They had a legal anaylist who had alot to say, especially about Madison saying the picture of victim being “staged” & taken out of context. The whole coverage was great, everyone should try to catch it online.

    • loyaljustice says:

      I don’t have CNN on my TV, would you know the name of the host, or special segment, so I can look it up?

      • prinnie says:

        They usually post them online and I will post a link when it’s up. People usually tweet me the links before I find them. LOL

    • prinnie says:

      Yep…you can’t unring a bell. I want to see Mr. Madison’s segment. I could only hear it in my earpiece, but I couldn’t see. I had them turn off my monitor. LOL

  83. loyaljustice says:

    Our society and what is socially acceptable is the cause for these kinds of crimes rising. Shows like Jerry Springer, Two and a Half Men, Jersey Shore, and Victoria’s Secret fashion show on prime time. Sex sells, and alcohol is a legal drug. Although something like this case affects me to my core and breaks my heart, it doesn’t surprise me. America is supposed to have the best judicial system in the world, ha, I scoff at that. The Violence Against Women Act was allowed to expire. Just the other day a California judge overturned a rape conviction because the woman that was raped wasn’t married. Parents that were supposed to have “supervised visits” with their baby girl, AT a Social Services center, were left ALONE with her to raped her and videoed the crime. The Center was NOT CHARGED. WHY? When children and babies are “Raped”, our judicial system calls it molested, or sexual assault, why is that? Is rape a dirty word? Why are the guilty called registered ‘sex offenders”, instead of registered “rapists, or baby rapers”? In this country, our judicial system gives harsher sentences to people who abuse animals than to rapists. The american judicial system Doesn’t Care about our children, or people, who have been raped or abused.
    It’s very hard to imagine there is any hope for the future of humanity. Then today, seeing and hearing all the people at the rally, and the empathy and compassion that they and people here and in other social networks show makes me think that maybe someday that sort of kindness and compassion will become the “norm”, more socially acceptable way of thinking, instead of the way it is now. I hope the drop of water in this bucket becomes a raging river, and eventually an abundant ocean. For the sake of our future children.
    My hope for this case is that there is a change of venue, so that Jane Doe has a fair trial, and that witnesses at the parties be subpenaed, and forced to testify, or held in contempt of court. Perhaps some of the witnesses to this crime that were taught good morals will decide to do the right thing.

  84. maddgramma says:

    Prinnie, You did a wonderful interview on CNN! Why don’t you run for The Sheriff of Jefferson County? I bet you would win!!!! Thanks for all you do! You are my HERO!!!

  85. sicnangry says:

    Went to CNN.com and it was last updated at 10:01pm so your episode hasn’t been put up yet. There are at least 5 segments on about the case and over 1800 comments!! And they called you “Crazy” back in August!!! Prinnie, you are Everyones Hero!!!!!!!

  86. sicnangry says:

    Prinnie, I attended the rally sat. in Steubenville. I’m very pleased to say that it was very well organized and peaceful. I was kind of worried that it would be alot of young kids and roudy. Not the case. My generation (50′s) and older was well represented!! In fact the most angry and Vocal were the older Men in the crowd. This case has touched alot of people and made parents sit up and take notice!
    I hope you know what you started back in August and have continued to talk about made all this happen. I sincerely thank you for all you’ve done and put up with.

    • prinnie says:

      Thank you very much for your support. My mother was down there, too. I watched the live streams and at times was completely overcome with pride for everyone that was down there supporting the victim. Thank you for attending.

  87. Elliot N says:

    I saw it and made notes so that if I ever get caught speeding by one of those cameras I can claim the photo was taken “out of context”

  88. Kayaker says:

    I am still having a hard time understanding why this jerk is not charged with anything. It scares me that one of the colleges my daughter was considering was Ohio State. Thank God she chose another school. She would have been on the same campus as this sociopath.

  89. Dail says:

    She was a nice girl till she passed out!

  90. concerned in WI says:

    Does anyone remember the television show The Equalizer? It was one of my favorites. I am incredibly torn over Anonymous. I know that we owe them a huge debt of gratitude for making the larger public aware of this case. Yet, I have already read a couple of articles where they released information that was false. Prosecutor Hanlin has issued a statement flatly denying that there was any party at her house the night in question. I am iniitally skeptical of her claim, but it is so incredibly easy to very in this case, that I can’t imagine her making such a claim if it were not true. If she’s proven to have lied in that statement, she will be totally finished (even in Jefferson County, Ohio!). In order for vigilanteism to be laudable, the actor has to get it right and stay totally, 100% within the law. I’m not ready to condemn Anonymous, because they have served such an incredible role here. But I am concerned.

    A friend of mine and his wife are trying to get pregnant. I recently had a long talk with him about that. The gist of my argument is: Why would you want to bring a child into this world? You can be the best parent in the world, but society is what society is. I am dead serious on that point. I seriously wonder why anyone would want to procreate. Society has become wretched, and it’s only getting worse. Whether it’s Columbine, Newtown, Jerry Sandusky, cyberbullies pushing you to suicide, or being raped/watching a girl being raped, why put a child through that? Think of your potential progeny before making that decision.

    Sorry, but that’s just the way I feel.

  91. Watchful says:

    You need to read the statement more carefully: “All allegations that me or my son or my home are involved in any way whatsoever in this criminal matter are 100 percent false. None of the alleged events occurred at my home. My son was not present at any time while the victim was alleged to have been unconscious, photographed, videotaped or sexually assaulted. Any statement to the contrary is 100 percent false,”

    She doesn’t say “No party at my house,” she said “None of the criminal stuff happened at my home.”

    • prinnie says:

      I caught that, too. Oh, and JMO JMO JMO!!

      • loyaljustice says:

        Am I reading this right? The prosecutor in this case “allegedly” had a party at HER HOUSE? or her son did? And she is working this case? Is that not a conflict of interest? Please tell me this case will not be tried in this county with these prosecutors.
        Also, do you have a link for your CNN interview please?

        • Hatetosayit says:

          Not currently working the case. She recused herself but weeks later. To late in my opinion. She knew the parties involved ( no pun intended) and the same conflict of interests she had several week in certainly existed night one! No statement she can release can ever change that. If you really want a kicker the lawyer for Trent Mays is related to the origional judge. Forget how but I read it on twitter. Doesn’t end there, Origional prosecutor referenced was Nodi’s ( horid kid on video) mom’s attorney in her divorce not overly long ago. This prosecutor is also married to a cop in town! Still not done, She also has some connection to someone on the BCI team that investigated the kid’s phone ( the team not just him alone) but I can’t remember what. Here is the link where most of this info can be found. My info came from here or twitter so take that for what it’s worth. If all true something stinks… But hard to know since I don’t live there.

          http://localleaks.blogs.ru/

          And yes as of now, unless the petition to move the case to adult court reaches 25k, then just the current judge brought in for this case will rule at the trial. Juveniles don’t have a jury trial. Isn’t that special…

          • Hatetosayit says:

            ********* Correction!!! Trent May’s attorney is rumored to be Cheif McCafferty’s first cousin whom is leading the investigation. That doesn’t seem ethical if true… Less ethical considering they are both actively involved in the case but that’s just me. Any legal ease that can speak to this?

          • Kayaker says:

            It seems that Ms Hanlin stayed on the case just long enough to make sure she cut a deal for her son to testify against two of his teammates in return for immunity from charges. Her son FILMED the two defendants sexually violating the victim in HIS OWN CAR, then sent the video to at least one other person. That, right there, is more than one crime – photographing or videotaping a minor performing a sexual act, distribution of child pornography – yet he will face no charges, thanks to his Mom being the original prosecutor.

    • concerned in WI says:

      Wow. Very good catch. Not sure how I missed that well-crafted dodge! Also, I’ve been reading about the history of SPD, and I read the Consent Decree in its entirety. If I do the math correctly, Chief McCafferty came to the PD after that Decree was implemented. Is that correct? I’m really baffled that the PD and City would thumb their collective noses at the judge who ordered photo-citations to stop! As I find out more and more, I really do think that additional investigation by the Federal government is warranted. The allegations by Anonymous are jaw-dropping! Can anyone point me to links on the history of what led to the Consent Decree of 1997?

      I truly wish there was some way that I could help the good people of Steubenville. I feel terribly that the “dynastic” powers have brought you folks such incredible heartache and financial burdens. The cost of compliance with the Decree, the hundreds of thousands of dollars in repaid fines, and the list goes on. Is there ANY chance for honest, law abiding citizens to get involved and make a difference there? Does Anonymous have to establish a permanent presence in order to let decent people lead healthy, positive, productive lives? Wow. Just WOW!

      • FartSmeller says:

        concerned in WI wrote: Can anyone point me to links on the history of what led to the Consent Decree of 1997?

        Well, I’m not sure where you can find a DETAILED history of the events in question, but here’s a summary lifted from Wikipedia…with my parenthetical comment:

        “Steubenville has had a reputation for political corruption. The U.S. Department of Justice alleged that the city and police force had subjected numerous individuals to “excessive force, false arrests, charges, and reports” and had engaged in practices regarding “improper stops, searches, and seizures.” The report from the Department also stated that excessive force was levied against individuals who witnessed incidents of police misconduct, and against those who were known critics of the city and its police force. Those individuals were also falsely detained if the city and the police agreed that they were “likely to complain of abuse.” It also stated that the officers involved also falsified reports and tampered with official police recorders so that “misconduct would not be recorded.” Over a period of 20 years the city lost, or settled out of court, 48 civil rights lawsuits involving its police force. The city paid out more than $800,000, $400,000 of which was between 1990 and 1996. As a result, the city’s police force became the second city in the United States to sign a consent decree with the federal government due to an excessive number of civil rights lawsuits. The decree was signed on September 4, 1997 under the “pattern or practice” provision. Under this agreement, the city agreed to improve the training of its police officers, implement new guidelines and procedures, establish an internal affairs unit, and establish an “early warning system.” The current political make-up of Steubenville is largely Democratic and an above-average number of registered Independents. There are six Democrats for every one Republican in Steubenville. The City of Steubenville is part of the 6th Congressional district of Ohio and represented by Bill Johnson.The 6th district is the longest US House district in Ohio and runs (gerrymanders) along the southeast state borders of Ohio.

        Oddly enough, Steubenville was also the home of several major players in the early days of the so-called “gangster” rap music scene – including several members of the notorious Wu-Tang Clan. Just Google for several interesting articles on Steubenville and it’s oddball gang associations. Here are just a couple.

        http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1917824

        http://tinyurl.com/6osazfv

        Just a brief scan of those articles will clue you to the fact that this area has been a swamp of crime and corruption for a LONG time.

  92. Coincidence? says:

    Stupidville is in denial, they have a morally bankrupt coaching staff and smallminded overimportance on a school athletics program.
    But….whats the difference in what occurred here, and in my hometown of Milledgeville GA…where a playoff-failed Professional Quarterback had nonconsentual relations with an inebriated college student…with assistance from off duty cops that he brought With Him? Where is that outrage? Where were you folks then? Is it because he didnt tweet or youtube his act…is he too popular, too rich? I am amazed that it was not prosecuted…I went to that bar as a local there, amazing that he went to that small town to get sex and the news world doesnt investigate the whole case better. thank you for considering my points!

  93. concerned in WI says:

    Something else…I’ve been trying to check out the school district’s website, but can’t get there. As I’m only recently becoming familiar with this case, perhaps what I’m about to suggest has already been done. Just as Anonymous has organized these two rallies, it seems to me that there should be an orchestrated effort to pack school board meetings until they deal with the outrageous behavior. I’m not only talking about the accused rapists, but also the coach, principal, and superintendant. Those three adults should be fired. And all of the students who have been identified as being involved – either in the photos or having posted the photos – should be expelled. If the school board fails to act, then the people of the school district should undertake recall efforts. Can anyone post links to any action the school and/or school board HAS taken?

    In the interest of full disclosure: I am a male victim of child sexual assault. This issue hits close to home for me, so I apologize for my obsession with this case! And, though I’ve omitted it before, a BIG THANK YOU to Alexandria for not letting this just “go away!” YOU are my hero!

  94. Elliot N says:

    To refer back for a minute to the movie “A Few Good Men” near the end when the marine Lance Corporal states: “We were supposed to stand up for those who could not stand up for themselves”. THAT is the message that could/should have been emphasized to any and all those that saw the situation involving the alleged rape and the harbinger to it earlier. And yet in my opinion in the aftermath of that night the focus seemed to be by those in positions to be influential to the footballers and all the high school kids, more of a rallying to come to the aid of the two Defendants and get letters written to the Court rather than deliver the “message” to young people that what failed that night was the simple basic duty to “help those that could not help themselves”. THAT is in my opinion the message that got lost. And THAT message was and is so much more important to impart upon young people than how to run with a football or make open field tackles. The adults in positions where they could have imparted one of lifes lessons about “Honor” and “duty” and “empathy” for another human being metaphorically “fumbled the ball” in a “game of life” so very very much bigger than any one ever played on the football field.

  95. Richard S says:

    Truly sincerely so glad you are covering this. Please continue. Despite all the corruption, I hope people like you can help bring justice to the people who deserve it.

  96. carolann says:

    Still disgusted with the next to nothing response from OSU re: their scholar/punk Nodianos.

    Time to step it up OSU,

  97. kaisa says:

    Standing by you in Finland, Prinnie. Thank you for opening our eyes.

  98. ureapwhatusow says:

    According to the OSU facebook pg:

    https://www.facebook.com/osu

    Radio news blog reported via MN’s new lawyer that he just didn’t return to school, but his scholarships are intact. Bullshit.

    • Leigh LaFon says:

      The Atlantic Wire reported on this earlier today: “Update 1:24 p.m. Ohio State has now confirmed on its Facebook page that Michael Nodianos, the boy depicted in the 12-minute video making fun of the alleged gang rape victim, is no longer a student there.” I had also seen an official retweet of the same news from the University itself, this morning. So, there is at least some consequence for that nasty creep’s behavior – just not near enough punishment for what we have all seen the evidence of.

      • ureapwhatusow says:

        Let’s be clear. OSU had nothing to do w/him not being a student there!! The kid CHOSE not to go back. If the scholarship is still intact, according to the kid’s lawyer, then he has not suffered any type of punishment. Only until OSU rescinds his academic scholarship will true justice be served in his participation in this sordid mess.

  99. Pete Basil says:

    Just want to clear a few things up…I’m not sure how everyone else feels…I could probably figure it out though….But, I can give a shit less if this Nodi kid stays in school or leaves school…I can care less if any other kids get treated differently by colleges…Their academic future isn’t shit compared to their criminal record future! They, along with many others in the system can get an education behind bars….I’m more concerned about whether or not the judicial system will find them guilty in their participation in the crime committed! Believe me, they all need some sort of punishment for their part in the crime, but they all need to continue to be educated…whether it is OSU, KSU or the Ohio State Corrections and Rehabilitation all these kids involved, directly or indirectly need to be educated!!!

    • ureapwhatusow says:

      Pete, I think having his scholarship revoked is where most people were coming from. Since he hasn’t been charged w/a crime b/c of the video, kicking him out of OSU is at least some kind of punishment he’d have to endure.

      When word gets straightened out and people realize OSU didn’t kick him out, but he left of his own accord w/his scholarships intact, I think people will keep the heat on OSU so eventually they might be pressured into kicking him out. Let it be on his record for life. That might just be the only justice possible for us, but imo, better than nothing.

    • noone says:

      Agree they need to be prosecuted. We spend so much money and resources on violent predators asking what lead up to the crime and whether there were any warning signals. Jeffrey Dahmer tortured animals, took pics, and put them in acid vats in his parents basement. These boys deliberately attacked, continued to attack, an outnumbered and completely defenseless girl. They attacked her and took pics and peed on her. They relished in and celebrated in her abuse, humiliation, and destruction. At minimum Nodi thought she was dead which he spells out very very clearly in the video. If he thought so then there is reason to believe others may have thought so also. So you have a raped to death girl and drunk boys with guns chuckling over it. What more of a warning sign could we possibly need? If they get away with it and there is no intervention we might as well pat them all on the back and put bulls eyes on their future victims.

      • Alice says:

        I hope for one, that if this Nodi guy has a scholarship to OSU, that it is revoked. Scholarships are given for many reasons. We can tell by his actions that he shouldn’t have an academic scholarship because his words and actions were all pretty dumb (and criminal). Maybe he has an athletic scholarship. These boys sure treat rape as a sport. He couldn’t have a scholarship for personal achievement, unless you include international notoriety as a total dick head something to be proud of.

        And for those residents of Steubenville that cry, “My poor town! We are all victims because of the media! Leave us alone,” I say, be mad at your own kids, people. These boys and girls used the media as their world stage to illustrate the humiliation of a girl they targeted.

        • prinnie says:

          That’s the part that makes me roll my eyes. These people aren’t blaming those that put details of that night online.

          • No, those same people are not blaming the ones who put humiliating photos of the night online, but maybe first to denounce those proactive students at OSU who put up posters of Nodi’s face, with a rapist at large warning to campus women. Should he ever return to school there, the students will undoubtedly post those again. If I lived there I’d help them expose the social media bully as the stupid sniveling coward he really is.

          • noone says:

            His comments indicate he was there. His comments also suggest he could have participated. How does one know whether she is as dry as the sun? He very very clearly spells it out that he thinks she is dead. In the video and on twitter. He had one comment along the line of she went out doing it big. There are horrible crimes committed in this country against male and female where perps never caught. And we wonder who for Gods sake. A sociopath knows how to play the game. A good one does. And you may never get the chance to see their evil unless you are the one staring into their eyes as they reveal their true selves. This pathetic sh* of a human being opened himself up in that video because he believed he was with people like him. The morally bankrupt. One in the room showed he still had a conscience. Nodi is the type of person who would take your daughter, rape her, torture her, laugh as he saw the light leaving her eyes with his face or friends face last thing she would see, and he would LAUGH. Then he would drive away and come to all of our houses the perfect little college boy and play nice nice. He is a sociopath and a detriment to society. His comments were not bad humor. He revealed himself. Anyone who has stared into the face of a sociopath and lived knows what the hell that Nodi is. He needs to be prosecuted and handled. Otherwise this is a joke. Its a joke. Really. Something bad happens and everyone runs around asking for the warning signs. That video tells everyone what he is.

  100. carolann says:

    Educated, fine, but not w/ scholarships. Please give the free rides to deserving students.

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  102. Joanie says:

    I just came across this. That poor excuse for a human being got an attorney who has made a public statement. Here’s part of what he said:

    He said what Nodianos did while highly intoxicated was “…foolish…inappropriate…and dumb…” and said Nodianos had been questioned and not charged because he wasn;’t involved in the alleged rape and only said on the video what he had heard from others.

    I can’t believe this crap. I’m just getting madder and madder. Between this statement and Hanlins statement today, well, I am just sick for this victim. The powers that be don’t appear to be going to do anything more or arrest anyone else. How the hell can this be? How can this be happening? This is so, so sickening…….beyond sickening. I feel like screaming!!!!
    I am a survivor and nothing happened to my attacker either so I feel this to the core of my very being. I’ve got to try to sleep now, early morning appt. But with this on my mind I don’t if I can. I can just think that we all, and more, I’m trying to get more people involved, well, we just have to keep the pressure on and increase it. I’m crying for this young girl and I’m raging at these degenerates Thank you again Prinnie and KnightSec. I hope you can really put the screws to them. I sure wish I knew how. This is the first time I’m sorry I don’t know how to hack!!! God I’m so mad how they are just raping this girl all over again by the injustice that’s occurring.

    Here’s the link to the lawyer for that pig on the video:
    http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/277157/45/Steubenville-Attorney-for-teen-in-video-says-its-disappointing-

    And somebody needs to get that animal Cody too!! I’m too upset to write anymore now.

  103. Joanie says:

    Here’s another one with a video. Goodnight to all

    http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/attorney-teen-video-hold-news-conference/nTpJx/

    Still makes me sick. Did he even watch the video?

  104. KM says:

    If Nodianos was merely repeating what he’d heard from others, some time later… why are they all using the present tense? As in:

    “Why isn’t she waking up?”
    “There is no waking up, she’s dead.”

    Are these young men unable to understand verb tenses indicative of time? Because my four year old finds them pretty simple.

  105. IknowSteubenville says:

    This just released – The Steubenville City Schools (including the elementary schools) were on lock down for about one and one half hours this morning due to a possible shooting threat discovered on social media. Police investigated and the superintendent said the threat was non-viable. This is getting really out of hand

  106. John Doe #6 says:

    Was there any sort of date stamp on this video? Do we know when it was initially uploaded?

  107. c_dubb says:

    are there time stamps for his tweets that evening? they claim the video was after. the comments in his tweets match alot of what he says in the video. if the tweets scatter over the evening , i believe it clearly shows he was there.

  108. C Morgan says:

    The depths of corruption & cover-up just don’t seem to end. It sickens and saddens me that the vast majority of comments by those same adults, continue to defend, make excuses for, or flat out deny for so many undisputable truths! And seemed most concerned in covering their own asses over promoting the upholding of justice, some swore to do. I’m starting to see quite clearly where these boys learned their failures in integrity & accountability, and the laacking knowledge of the difference between right & wrong. When you fail to make your child take responsibility & consequences for wrong actions or choices, you fail them as a parent. And inevitably fail society in what you eventually send out there to contend with.
    I was pointed to this video discussing a theory on the root of the problem & why this awful crime happened. Although I agree with in part, I still think such gross corruption & the existing umbrella for some, long before established, had a hand in… Do note it is very blunt.
    http://www.upworthy.com/a-horrifying-thing-happened-in-ohio-not-being-creepy-could-prevent-it-from-happe?c=upw1

  109. Sonya says:

    I am curious where the girl is in all of this now? Why isn’t she fighting for herself? As a woman she needs to stand up. She was in the situation, probably just went out for the night to have a good time, it went to hell, and the actions her schoolmates took when she needed support more than anything need to punished.
    But with this case being as difficult as it is (though there is absolutely no reason for the county to be a half-assed as they are being right now) the victim needs to stop being a victim and take action of her own.
    She has a lot of support. But it could go to waste in short time. So let’s see some strength and courage!

    • C Morgan says:

      I would think her attorney has urged her and parents to remain quiet until after the case is ruled upon. And civil suits will likely follow, a reason too. Pretty standard procedure. In addition being a juvenile and having already been grossly persecuted on a local level & beyond by victim blaming… Why should she subject herself to that any further? At least in court when she can speak up if she testifies, she has the Ohio rape shield law behind her… we hope.

    • noone says:

      She’s not a woman. She’s a recently violated 16 yr old girl. Noone should be asking anything of her or telling her she needs to stand up or be strong. She needs a strong support system to care for her and help handle this for her. I am hoping thats attorney and rape counselors etc. It could take years or life for her to reach a point where she is “strong”. She needs people familiar with the process to step up. She needs survivors and others who care about victims to help be her voice and be a strong movement to ensure authorities are doing their jobs. When a baby dolphin is attacked by sharks we don’t question the baby dolphin we expect the pod to step in.

      • I really like that line, “When a baby dolphin is attacked by sharks we don’t question the baby dolphin, we expect the pod to step in.” That was the root of the problem in Steubenville. Even before this incident, people there have not been protective of their football team’s victims, seeing them instead as opponents. Not everyone wanted to step up to protect Jane Doe. Some who did wish to offer her public support felt it necessary to do so anonymously, which points to some tragic disfunction in the town. What has attracted national and international attention is the loud and sometimes hysterical pod of support surrounding the football team and their own complicit protectors, including a rape-porn conman who has found his own odd niche, with them.

        • noone says:

          Thats tragic. The roles are reversed and victim is perpetrator and perp the victim. Seemingly intelligent adults who can question the girl or be angry with the girl placing power of the situation into her hands and if she truly had the power she wouldn’t have been victimized to begin with! Not this town but everywhere they would protect the guilty and stone the innocent. How is it they are not screaming bloody murder about the man who had pics of girls in bathrooms? How is it that so many have mothers,sisters, daughters yet lack basic human empathy to care for a vulnerable? And women and girls will support them! Its a sickness in the underlying fabric of that society if they will let this go without protecting the victim and sending a clear message that actions like this will not be tolerated.

  110. Chabelyk says:

    What a fantastically creepy bunch of young men (and they are an insult to real men everywhere!!)

    Here’s to all of you going to prison and finding boyfriends who will rape you, incessantly…

    I’ll bet you won’t like it one bit.

  111. Cris says:

    @Sonya, her actions then or now are not the issue here. She is not accused of committing a crime. She doesn’t have to answer to you or seek your approval.

  112. In Vox Populi Veritas says:

    @prinnie January 6, 2013 at 12:34 am

    … I meant it when I said I truly cared about all of my John Does here. I was honestly more worried about my commenters than myself being sued. Glad it’s over.

    Prinnie, I’m glad you prevailed in your legal troubles. I’m just gratified that you had the caliber of attorneys that you did, willing to stop up to the plate and defend you as well as the various John Does.

    While the Saltsmans may not sue again, the same may not be true of others.

    Even if many of the parties named in social media as associated with the case are now considered limited public figures, and therefore fall under the guidelines set out by New York Times v Sullivan, this does not guarantee immunity from suits.

    To help resolve this issue, I am willing to act an an intermediary, in helping people to post their opinions, if they are afraid of suits or other forms of retaliation as a result of speaking their minds.

    To that end, I have setup a PrivacyBox account: veritasvoxpop

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    • prinnie says:

      Thank you so much for your offer. After the suit was filed, people obviously feared that their identities would be revealed through subpoena power. Commenters here were silenced into submission by that lawsuit. I was fearful of retaliation against the John Does and that is why I decided to fight back. I can NEVER thank Ken White of popehat.com enough for being the first attorney to step up to the plate immediately to assist in finding First Amendment attorneys to defend an OBVIOUS SLAPP action. Threats against free speech are being made again. I appreciate your offer and thank you for stepping up to the plate as well.

    • C Morgan says:

      This is a great route to have. Do have a question re, is it capable of pasting screenshots and/or images? of say online dialogue etc? People may stumble across such things that might strongly indicate other illegal activities, details, parties to, & locations of. So if this were the case can it be shared via? Just throwing it out there as I’m certain this could happen if looking for things & maybe stumble upon. Thanks

  113. In Vox Populi Veritas says:

    @prinnie February 8, 2013 at 1:30 am

    Thank you so much for your offer. After the suit was filed, people obviously feared that their identities would be revealed through subpoena power. Commenters here were silenced into submission by that lawsuit. I was fearful of retaliation against the John Does and that is why I decided to fight back.

    Quite understandable. To knuckle-under to these thugs would be only to reinforce their sense of righteousness, not to mention their grossly-inflated sense of entitlement.

    I can NEVER thank Ken White of popehat.com enough for being the first attorney to step up to the plate immediately to assist in finding First Amendment attorneys to defend an OBVIOUS SLAPP action.

    Ken’s a sweetheart. As I see it, however, the problem with going to court is that there is always a risk, however miniscule, that you could lose. That is one of the reasons that I rely for my security on the laws of mathematics, as opposed to the laws of men.

    Threats against free speech are being made again. I appreciate your offer and thank you for stepping up to the plate as well.

    You’re welcome.

    You know, it occurs to me that what we have here is a culture war. Given the nature of the culture in Steubenville, it is only reasonable to assume that those who disagree with this culture of glorification of football, and the exhaltation of football players above and beyond anyone else largely remain silent out of fear of reprisal.

    I’ve been thinking about ways to fight back. Obviously, appeals to the better nature of both football players and their supporters alike will largely fall on deaf ears, and get you nowhere.

    It has been said that “the pen is mightier than the sword.” and with good reason. Writers and artists have always borne the brunt of repression, because they can sway public opinion against the ruler and/or ruling classes.

    What has proven effective throughout history, when dealing with tyrants, despots, dictators and Kings of all stripes is mockery. Cartoonists in particular, have the longest lasting impact. I’ve seen interviews with politicians who have stated that they still wince when they recall certain cartoons, long after thundering critical editorials have been forgotten.

    If there is one thing that drives powerful people to the very brink of insanity, it is being laughed at, or mocked. One of the best cartoon examples I can think of, is how some unknown artist created a new version of Tiger Woods’ logo, and placed the before and after versions side by side.

    [IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/35cfrit.jpg[/IMG]

    I’d like to see something similar done with Big Red, the red stallion that is Steubenville High’s football mascot. On the left panel, you would see Big Red breathing fire, as the mascot is wont to do when the home team scores. On the right-hand panel, you would see the new logo, where the red stallion has been replaced with a large, erect red phallus, ejaculating instead of breathing fire. The caption would read: Steubenville High Big Red Mascot: Before and After.

    “How many of you have broken no laws this month? That’s the kind of society
    I want to build. I want a guarantee — with physics and mathematics, not
    with laws — that we can give ourselves real privacy of personal
    communications.”
    — John Gilmore

    • Alice says:

      On the right-hand panel, you would see the new logo, where the red stallion has been replaced with a large, erect red phallus, ejaculating instead of breathing fire. The caption would read: Steubenville High Big Red Mascot: Before and After.

      Thanks. Good thought. Can’t get that image out of my head. lol

  114. In Vox Populi Veritas says:

    @Alice February 8, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    On the right-hand panel, you would see the new logo, where the red stallion has been replaced with a large, erect red phallus, ejaculating instead of breathing fire. The caption would read: Steubenville High Big Red Mascot: Before and After.

    Thanks. Good thought. Can’t get that image out of my head. lol

    That was te general idea. Glad you liked it. The wife suggested an improvement… having two footballs hanging down as testicles. Too bad neither of us has any artistic skill :-(

    In Vox Populi Veritas

  115. In Vox Populi Veritas says:

    @C Morgan February 8, 2013 at 11:39 am

    This is a great route to have. Do have a question re, is it capable of pasting screenshots and/or images? of say online dialogue etc? People may stumble across such things that might strongly indicate other illegal activities, details, parties to, & locations of. So if this were the case can it be shared via? Just throwing it out there as I’m certain this could happen if looking for things & maybe stumble upon. Thanks

    I seem to recall having received attachments through the service before. Perhaps you might want to test it out, by sending some dog or cat pictures downloaded from the net as test items.

    In Vox Populi Veritas

    • C Morgan says:

      Will do, and one more question. Ok maybe a few within main ?… I read Facebook has privacy issues re reposting things from & to avoid, true/false? And Twitter is a more lax on such things? I’ve seen both here & there reposted/screenshots to confuse the matter. And if say it’s from Twitter, given the age of site policy is 13, are any tweets then fair game? Pointing to say 16-18 range, with realistically not always able to verify age exactly, or even the user handles real identity? That said, some are important to include in case the right people view it… So should just maybe profile photo be eradicated, or no holds barred?
      Sorry, my question kinda grew in the thought to thumb processing!!

      I also have a disturbing image etched in my brain! Lol
      may I suggest replacing the stallion with a donkey aka: Jackass!? :b

  116. In Vox Populi Veritas says:

    @C Morgan February 8, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Will do, and one more question. Ok maybe a few within main ?… I read Facebook has privacy issues re reposting things from & to avoid, true/false?

    I’m not really certain what you mean, so I will give you a general answer. Facebook has (rightly) been described as a “roach motel for privacy” — your data goes in, and it never comes out.

    Facebook is a literal disaster in the making for anyone who wants to maintain their privacy. It’s also becoming one of the first sites visited when law enforcement wants to do research on someone — in one fell swoop, they can determine one’s family, friends, not to mention associates.

    I do not have (and will never have) a Facebook account under my real identity; the same goes for Twitter. I am NOT a fan, in any way, shape or form of social media.

    And Twitter is a more lax on such things? I’ve seen both here & there reposted/screenshots to confuse the matter. And if say it’s from Twitter, given the age of site policy is 13, are any tweets then fair game?

    Many sites, even non-U.S. ones, require persons who sign-up for accounts to certify that they are over 13 years of age. The nominal reason for this is frequently given as COPPA (Childrens’ Online Privacy Protection Act).

    Frankly, I’ve always found it bizarre that non-U.S. websites require people to comply with a piece of U.S. legislation when signing-up for services of one sort or another. For the most part, there is simply no way for any service provider to verify that anyone signing-u for service is 13 or over. (Kids under 13 will lie about their age, in any case. If called on it, the service providers will point to the checkbox they frequently require people to tick-off stating that they are 13 years of age or older.)

    Furthermore, given that any tweets have, by default, already been made public, I’d say that anything posted to Twitter can be copied. I’m also given to understand that the Library of Congress is said to be archiving all tweets ever made from the inception of the service.

    Pointing to say 16-18 range, with realistically not always able to verify age exactly, or even the user handles real identity? That said, some are important to include in case the right people view it… So should just maybe profile photo be eradicated, or no holds barred?

    Sorry, my question kinda grew in the thought to thumb processing!!

    You don’t need to apologize for asking a question. Do whatever you think is best. If you do decide to post an altered copy of a tweet, be sure to keep a copy of the original. I’ve noticed that some UK papers, like the DailyMail Online, blur out photos, and even identifying information on tweets. For example, the tweet made by Michael Nodiamos, where he advertised: “Party at Jake Howarth’s house. Banger!” not only has Nodiamos’ photo blurred-out, but also Jake Howarth’s name is blurred-out as well. (I noticed this because I have seen the uncensored tweet reproduced elsewhere. Whether the DailyMail carried this out because of the fearsome nature of the U.K.’s libel laws is open to speculation.)

    I also have a disturbing image etched in my brain! Lol may I suggest replacing the stallion with a donkey aka: Jackass!? :b

    I’d love to do the artwork myself… however neither I nor the wife can draw a straight line. Someone else will have to take up the challenge.

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    • C Morgan says:

      Thank you kindly for taking the time to answer in wonderful detail! Yes I agree the “13″ stipulation is a lame attempt to cover their butts! Most don’t even ask for a date of birth to accompany, not that most wouldn’t just lie on that too.
      But underage access seems to fall more on parental responsibility to monitor kids internet usage IMO. Not like there isn’t countless parent settings & programs to do it for you! (Block sites, limit site ratings, record activity, etc.) I was doing just that a moment ago, On my 5y son’s Nabi in “mommy mode” (: <~ A great tablet for little ones use of Internet, etc.

      But given that online 13 is the common age of consent to broadcast most anything. It seems a silly contradiction for some to claim the "minor" clause if under 18 later… in reference to comments or pictures made by and reposted by media, blogs… So I tend to agree with you, seems fair game if it's out there!

  117. Alchemist says:

    RICO’d marijuana dealerJanuary 4, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Federal Grand Juries are made for situations just like this as opposed to investigating marijuana transactions. With the election over, AG Holder has no reason not to order one to be convened in Cincinnati to take take testimony on the multitude of crimes alleged to have been committed as well as the crimes commited in the coverup.

    Great idea! The only fly in the ointment is that AG Holder doesn’t care. Rather, I think this administration is more concerned about Anonymous, especially any potential relationship with WikiLeaks and Julian Assange. In my view, any investigation will focus primarily on Anonymous; any investigation of what happened to Jane Doe will be perfunctory at best, if any such investigation is carried out at all.

    I sincerely hope I am wrong, but I fear that events will prove me right.

  118. Alchemist says:

    @prinnie January 5, 2013 at 1:53 am · Reply

    But the picture “is out of context,” Madison said. “That young lady is not unconscious,” as has been widely reported.

    I’m no expert, but unpixelated — she is NOT conscious. Her head is all the way back. No one purposely holds their head the way it was in the photo.

    I’m not a medical professional, but based on the fact that the victim cannot remember anything after they left home, this sounds very much like she had been slipped a roofie. The fact that she was so unresponsive is another clue, IMO.

    • C Morgan says:

      Right again! I have no doubts from testimony and picture she was unconscious. Given testimony also indicated lack of drinking seen by her to corroborate she simply passed out, and in such a short time span that has been substantiated in timeline.
      I’ve seen people blackout from excessive alcohol, having vague or later memories of the night before. And during usually can continue to be physically animated, communicate, (rather obnoxiously, hyper) etc. And for some length of time before passing out. I have also seen a person intoxicated on alcohol mixed with narcotics in their system. Their behavior is very different. They will repeatedly nod off, even on their feet, very antisocial, words are slurrred and few and far between. And very soon will pass out into a comatose like state.
      I wonder if she was given “dirty sprite,” as I’ve seen some of these stupid kids specifically reference? I had to look it up, and there is varying recipes. One of the more common ones was sprite, cough syrup with codeine, and jolly ranchers to flavor a better taste. The effects of I would think, would depend on how much codeine was added. And someone unsuspecting might not realize drugs were part of the concoction. Now imagine mixing that with a alcoholic drink or 2, before or after?! No doubt it could likely induce vomiting, and tg if, because the mix could be deadlier the longer it sits in the system. I would wager this mix would also render a person very incapacitated fairly quick, in addition to passing out sooner than later!

      • Good point, C Morgan. I, too have wondered about drugging, and not necessarily with “roofies”, since there are multiple ways to drug a drink. I come back to the fact that no one in the transcript of the hearing mentioned seeing her mix a drink, pour one, or whatever you would expect to notice if she was able to consume enough alcohol to almost immediately lose coherence and an entire night’s memory. I realize it may not always take much for a 16 y/o girl to exceed her drinking tolerance – if this was a matter of only alcohol consumption, but surely witnesses would have noticed her pouring hard liquor, downing shots or requesting more drinks as she staggered about? No witness even recalled what she drank that entire night, just that she had the “red cup.”

        Also, witnesses did not make any observation that she was chugging drinks down later in the evening, so presumably she either slowed down her drinking or stopped entirely. We do know she wasn’t able to walk normally, so I would think she was well into the drink spilling stage before she became sick. She did throw up multiple times, and at least two different places, enough to have greatly reduced her blood alcohol level. That is the body’s way of immediately avoiding a dangerous alcohol overdose. As I remember it, she became sick very early on, because the first time mentioned was in the street at the first party where her top was removed. The more detailed descriptions were from the basement party where she vomited at least 2 times in the basement and bathroom, requiring assistance to the bathroom and clean up effort from the boys. There was no evidence given that she continued to guzzle alcoholic beverages after repeatedly getting sick, and it seems rather unlikely a nauseous person would even want to then continue with heavy drinking.

        From what I understand of blood alcohol levels, toxicity and systematic recovery, if she was not also under the influence of drugs, she could not have maintained that level of intoxication for so many hours without replacing all the alcohol she lost each time she was sick, throughout the night. That may be possible, but it does not seem likely, in my opinion, given that she was too “out of it” and probably incapable of holding a drink without assistance.

        • C Morgan says:

          Excellent points made! I too recall early vomiting before getting in the car after first party. Was She not handed a drink in the car originally when picked up from her friends gathering? And following recalls little if nothing prior to arrival at party #1? What alcohol could possibly cause that effect almost instantly? I know none! I don’t recall hearing she was pounding shots with the volleyball team prior either. < of course trial testimony will have to support this.
          But if true, that drink was spiked with something! Given the conspiracy behind, CS spelled out for all starting a month prior, it would most certainly fit the premeditated plan of revenge. Also noting it was an established routine for the rape crew, no doubt!
          And if it were a roofied drink, and old Ms. JH hubby is a narcotics lead detective… All the more reason she should have advised to seek a hair follicle drug test, that preserves such traces up to a month post ingestion, that urine & blood samples would miss! I just hope there is evidence presented in trial to show this. Because thus far the testimony does not support the behavior by, or actions leading to self induced alcohol intoxication.

          • noone says:

            I think she was drugged but have problems grasping what difference it makes outside the premeditation angle. I think it bothers me because its so common to excuse behavior as victim brought it on themselves. I know thats not what you are saying at all just that the conversation makes me uncomfortable because I know how some view it. I think drugged or not drugged if a person is incapacitated you help them. Whether that is by providing assistance or checking over their current “guardian” to see if that person looks like they are genuinely helping or not. You don’t take it as an opportunity to abuse them whether they were drugged outside their knowledge, hit by a falling tree branch, suffering from an insulin emergency, or whether they by their own volition consumed large amounts of alcohol. Please note by “you” I mean people in general. This girl was set upon by jackals while defenseless regardless of what lead up to her being that way. There is no honor in attacking someone. Even less in outnumbering and attacking one who cannot fight back.

  119. Alchemist says:

    @C Morgan
    February 12, 2013 at 12:03 am

    … And if it were a roofied drink, and old Ms. JH hubby is a narcotics lead detective… All the more reason she should have advised to seek a hair follicle drug test, that preserves such traces up to a month post ingestion, that urine & blood samples would miss! [...]

    Great point! Now that you mention it, roofies (GHB) are often sold by street dealers as a recreational drug. So Jane Hardin’s husband either knew (or should have known) this.

    • The possibility of Roofies being involved leaves me especially troubled, but prescription drugs stolen from a parent’s medicine cabinet and even non-prescription anti-histamines can be covertly added to a drink to enhance alcohol’s effectiveness and also make it more lethal.

      I agree that rape of an unconscious person is the same crime of rape, regardless of how the person became unconscious, and whether due to, say, diabetic coma, alcohol toxicity or injury. The victim was entirely blameless. However, I do think the amount of premeditation required for the crew to drug an unknowing victim would be an added factor to take into consideration in addition to the other crimes alleged.

      Perhaps some will not agree, but it is to me an even more sinister crime if the rape crew decided to do this well in advance of the party. If, as has been alleged, teammates and friends of her ex-boyfriend wished in advance to “trick” Jane Doe into spending an entire night too drugged to understand anything around her, that may show their premeditated intent to invite others to join in what they called a “banger.”

      So, if the victim was secretly drugged, that doesn’t effect the rapists’ guilt of the crime of rape itself, either way, but it adds a level of criminal complicity for those involved in any advance planning, which would normally lead to additional serious charges. It is, of course, a separate crime to secretly drug someone, and it creates an even greater risk of the victim choking on her own vomit or suffering from a fatal overdose or accident.

      So yes, I do think the possibility of Jane Doe being roofied or otherwise drugged is very significant. From conspiracy to drug offenses, it adds significantly to their guilt, if true.

      • noone says:

        Ok I can see the premeditation angle and it does end an extra level of callousness to an already beyond imagination callous crime. Sorry, just a little over-sensitive to how the victim became one. If they can prove premeditated which bf wanting to get even seems to indicate and that does anything to help keep these guys away from creating more victims then I am all for it.

        • noone says:

          “it does add” correction

        • Noone, I completely understand your sensitivity to victim blaming. In fact, my outrage over the blame heaped on Jane Doe was what led me to read up on Steubenville in the first place. I was furious to read what so many locals said about her “partying” being “an invitation” to rape. I’m glad so many people have made the point that being unconscious from alcohol makes her incapable of consent, and that is never, ever an invitation for others to commit rape or any other crime against her. In the same way, we don’t excuse a murderer because his victim was unconscious from alcohol any more than if the victim was intentionally drugged, but the drugging should lead to a separate charge, and like you said, show premeditation.

  120. LinT says:

    If it could be proved that she was drugged, believe it enhances the crime to 1st degree felony, adds a mandatory sentence and requires registration as a sex offender. Probably why it appears that aspect wasn’t investigated vigorously, if at all. Not sure about this part, but I think it may have also eliminated the possibility of them being tried as juveniles.

  121. Alchemist says:

    @LinT February 13, 2013 at 11:59 am

    If it could be proved that she was drugged, believe it enhances the crime to 1st degree felony, adds a mandatory sentence and requires registration as a sex offender. Probably why it appears that aspect wasn’t investigated vigorously, if at all.

    Several people on here have mentioned that GHB and similar substances can be tested for in hair samples, up to a month after ingestion. If I were a cop, and someone came to me with evidence of such a crime, and they mentioned memory loss, I’d be tempted to do a drug screen.

    Remember, that the girl’s family reported the crime in the early hours of August 14th, less than 72 hours after the crime was committed. I would have been taking hair samples, blood samples, urine samples, the lot for testing.

    Instead of taking the complaint seriously, and doing this type of due diligence, the local authorities (and Jane Hanlin in particular) is said to have attempted to intimidate the girl and her family into not pursuing a complaint. If correct, one can only speculate as to why.

    Furthermore, it has been pointed out on this blog that Ms. Hanlin’s husband is a detective on the local drug squad. He should have been aware of the types of drugs that might have been administered in such a situation, as well as the tests available for detecting them.

    Not sure about this part, but I think it may have also eliminated the possibility of them being tried as juveniles.

    I find it very interesting that these kids have not been tried in adult court. As you can see from the article excerpt below, kids of similar age in other jurisdictions are not being treated with kid gloves.

    We got freaked out by kids sexting. We were shocked when some
    high school football players ordered prostitutes with their
    smartphones. And now, some ambitious members of Generation Text
    have taken the sex/technology nexus to a new low by producing
    and distributing teen porn in Northern Virginia.

    Police locked up three boys – two 16-year-olds and a
    15-year-old – last month for their alleged attempts at
    becoming the Mitchell Brothers 2.0 – porn kings of the burbs.

    The boys made the sex videos with at least six teenage girls
    from their own school and two neighboring high schools. The
    boys, all sophomores, have been charged with possession and
    distribution of child pornography.

    http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/07/2662192/todays-teens-seek-fame-via-cellphone.html

  122. Alchemist says:

    @Leigh LaFon (@DenverElle) February 13, 2013 at 2:00 am

    The possibility of Roofies being involved leaves me especially troubled, but prescription drugs stolen from a parent’s medicine cabinet and even non-prescription anti-histamines can be covertly added to a drink to enhance alcohol’s effectiveness and also make it more lethal.

    Indeed. Someone on here mentioned ‘dirty Sprite’. I didn’t have a clue what that was, so I googled it. Oee of the cases that came up involved a 14 year old girl that died as a result of drinking dirty Sprite, which she consumed at her adult cousin’s birthday party.

    For some reason the adult cousins went out and left the girl sleeping alone in their bed. When they returned, they found the the girl cold to the touch, with traces of vomit in her mouth. Likely, she vomited, and aspirated it, leading to her death.

    I agree that rape of an unconscious person is the same crime of rape, regardless of how the person became unconscious, and whether due to, say, diabetic coma, alcohol toxicity or injury. The victim was entirely blameless.

    Absolutely — no question about it.

    However, I do think the amount of premeditation required for the crew to drug an unknowing victim would be an added factor to take into consideration in addition to the other crimes alleged.

    No argument with you here. If she was drugged, then it was definitely premeditated, no ifs. no ands, no buts.

    Perhaps some will not agree, but it is to me an even more sinister crime if the rape crew decided to do this well in advance of the party.

    I fail to see how any reasonable person could argue otherwise.

    If, as has been alleged, teammates and friends of her ex-boyfriend wished in advance to “trick” Jane Doe into spending an entire night too drugged to understand anything around her, that may show their premeditated intent to invite others to join in what they called a “banger.”

    Indeed. I think that, in future years, Trent may come to regard his use of the word “Banger!!!” as one of the worst mistakes of his life. This word, implying a party where sex will be ‘served’ basically proves foreknowledge, if not actual intent. Conspiracy charges, anyone?

    So, if the victim was secretly drugged, that doesn’t effect the rapists’ guilt of the crime of rape itself, either way, but it adds a level of criminal complicity for those involved in any advance planning, which would normally lead to additional serious charges. It is, of course, a separate crime to secretly drug someone, and it creates an even greater risk of the victim choking on her own vomit or suffering from a fatal overdose or accident.

    So yes, I do think the possibility of Jane Doe being roofied or otherwise drugged is very significant. From conspiracy to drug offenses, it adds significantly to their guilt, if true.

    Agree 100%.

  123. lostinspace says:

    Not sure if alchemist and harold starr from radionewz blog are genius cousins or what, but the two of you along w/ select other bright ones “out there” have provided us w/ so much valuable info. and insights into this ongoing saga. We thank you very much.
    However, despite all the invaluable info you have provided, if no one at the state level is taking this information seriously( we hope they follow these blogs but we have no clue) either because they too, are so corrupt and intermigled with the incestuous local officials or just worthless gov’t beaurocrats, then this has been all for naught. It’s what we’re afraid to ask but fear it so. If this is a lost cause, that is what appears to be an orchestrated cover-up by local officials in varying positions of authority, to protect a group of “special” teenage perps, now about to be covered up even further by state appointed officials bound and determined to make the Steubenville story just “disappear,” then what??
    We just all go away and pretend none of this happened??
    We need some guidance here from the adults in the room.
    Thank you
    T

    • prinnie says:

      Now is the time for those who live in Steubenville to start calling the DOJ themselves and making complaints or voicing their concerns. Nothing will change until the people make it so. Dewine has stated that they wouldn’t charge the others because they don’t believe there is enough evidence to do so. Will he charge them if new information comes to light?

      • C Morgan says:

        Amen! There are many worldwide behind them!
        I for one (and certain many would follow) am willing to broadcast it to the ends of the Internet, any repurcussions suffered, in direct relation to the case, for constructively demanding justice. Or for providing credible information/ viable evidence regarding the case. My word is my honor, loyalty my ballast and curse (:

  124. C Morgan says:

    I believe I share Leigh’s & Alchemist’s well stated stance.Rape is rape. But a premeditated rape I’m almost certain is fair to consider even worse. Bare with me, I’m thinking this through aloud…
    For instance, the crime of murder has variations (1st degree, 2nd degree, manslaughter, self-defense, criminal insanity)… A premeditated crime of murder is legally construed as worse, with harsher sentences. 
    To plan any crime, prepare for, then carry out the actual act of, has a few phases. More likely than not, there was ample thought & some time put into, allowing a window to find a conscience regarding… or not! 
    Effort is also placed into calculating who, what, when, where, & how (why is their motive).
    There is always the initial mastermind of the illegal activity, Whether he’s an acting part of, or just the conspirator of. 
    Next if applicable, the actual criminal/s, accomplices, and/or accessories to the crime are solicited, and likely then enlisted as an active and willing participants of. Others may only provide materials used in the commission of, or even just conspire with any person having a part to. But any person that has knowledge prior to the act, has not only a moral obligation, but a legal one to intervene in some manner. Hopefully notifying the authorities. 
    -> I guess it’s a gray area as to a legal cause for some course of action by the authorities. For conspiring to commit, the criminal intent factor, evidence of, etc…
    Come the Final phase, the crime is committed. I strongly feel the eye witnesses & bystanders become a part of the crime! And if they do nothing to stop or report it immediately, that is criminal negligence! Exception would be an immediate threat of bodily harm, like facing an armed, dangerous, unpredictable assailant. (i.e. Armed robbery)
    ->It just occurred to me… Was that the implied intent of the rifle by the chair in Nodianos video, at any point during attacks??? If a rape was occurring in say… the next room??
    Anyhow, During any of those stages, the formulating of, the preparation, in route to… one could change their mind. But when they don’t, it’s fair to ascertain they are potentially dangerous, maybe even sociopaths, definitely immoral. Especially in crimes of violence!
    So I think premeditated factor is a crime within in itself, and does appear to make a tragic and harmful criminal act even worse. It’s not a crime of opportunity, or a crime of heated emotions (passion)… The perpetrators have made a well thought, prior to, very conscience choice to commit some harmful act. And having bypassed multi opportunities to recognize the wrong, and simply refrain from action.
    As to Those first eye witnesses and bystanders following, that continue to remain silent, they have got to be legally negligent & liable for!
    Or those hearing direct confessions of, would also be legally bound to come forward. (Accessory after a crime potential?). 
    Anyone hearing about (via 3rd party,) potentially credible details, identities of perpetrators, coming across possible evidence… Have a civic & moral obligation to at least anonymously, in some manner, expose it and/or report it to authorities!
    And to destroy, hide, mishandle, withhold any evidence of, or lie regarding any relevancy to… these are crimes! Stalling the investigation in any way… Obstruction of Justice!
    ->For Those that didn’t or don’t come forward with any knowledge of… how do you sleep at night? Can you honestly look yourself in the mirror? I hope Guilt and shame will find you, and karma haunts you! And if you have an ounce of humanity, eventually the regrets will surface! If none do, please seek psych evaluation & treatment ASAP!!
    Those regrets will be a lifelong cross to bare… A fatal mistake, that which you cannot correct or truly recourse later.
    As for the Rape Crew, PPcrew, Wolfpack, Train/ing Crew, Teamdirty… Past, present, & future members: They have zero remorse, they lie in wait to repeat, they will, they may have? I am certain more are guilty of the Aug rape.
    I have no qualms with my mother’s wisdom on the punishment for Rapists and child molesters. First Castration, then blinding, because sexual assault is more about power over another person. This is the only way, besides locking up and throwing away the key, they could ever fully be prevented from harming another person. Just Saying.
    I’m not condoning violence against.

    • C Morgan says:

      *recourse -> absolve /: oops!

      • C. Morgan, I agree! Good explanation of moral obligations. What if you knew in advance about a crime and failed to make a single call to prevent it? That failure is something I’d find so terrible to live with.

        Second point: Again, you reminded me – what IS up with that rifle below Nadiano’s chair? Why do we only read about that here? Did I miss something in the mainstream media or transcript? I don’t know if it was a real one or anything else about it, but it’s appearance is clear as day to the gazillions of viewers of that hideous viral video. Can anyone explain where a rifle at a teen drinking & rape scene is being addressed?

        • C Morgan says:

          I am fairly certain that rifle with scope was quite real. And another safe assumption, The kids play with guns there, that I am certain of. We know they are punks, basic laws don’t apply to them with clear evidence of several other illegal activities, even for adults. As would the shot out car windows crime indicate.
          I have come across at least 2 pics of team members armed, and additional references to others. One was a handgun in his car, pledging to go relieve some stress?? Another was holding 2 rifles Rambo style at, (oddly never seen mentioned) party structure… very obvious to ascertain that LE intentionally ignores its existence & purpose- what’s new!

        • BooBoo says:

          I’m going to play devils advocate when it comes to the gun. It could very well be a pellet gun, air soft gun, bb gun whatever you choose to call it. My son has at least 3 air soft competition rifles (all with scopes) and 4 hand gun pellet guns. My son was in JROTC when he was in high school and was on the rifle team and used his air soft rifles in competitions state and country wide. This isn’t to say they are not dangerous because they are. Just not as dangerous. Because my son was in JROTC and into shooting them, it was nothing for someone to come to my house and see one lying around even in the living room. Like most teens, getting them to pick up anything was a chore. My son usually kept his gun down in his other room in the basement where he hung out with friends. Now obviously I don’t know whether the gun in the video is real or not. At first I was shocked when I saw it and it actually took my son to point out to me that it could be like his and not a real gun. Just because we don’t know about the gun, doesn’t mean the police didn’t inquire about it. I’m willing to bet they did. Well at least I hope they did.

          Just so you know, there were rules in our house regarding his guns. None of them were to leave our property unless he took it to school for JROTC practice or to competitions and they were to be placed in his trunk while transporting them. They were never to be outside in the front yard where neighbors or others could see them and be frightened. He was allowed to shoot them in our backyard and never allowed to have them in the house loaded! But considering he was in JROTC he learned all about safety and was never irresponsible with them.

          • C Morgan says:

            I do see your point.
            And only generally stating, I am in no way against guns… or even when properly educated on safety & operation of, with close adult supervision, responsible older children’s use of. My grandfather had an age 13 rule on teaching the grandchildren how to use a gun safely.
            What is concerning in all their protesting of the validity & legalities of the video, I’ve yet to see addressed by officials the rifle’s existence. (I was just writing a comment expanding on the video/gun, I’ll post shortly. So I will try not to be redundant here.)
            Given the countless denials by, and defensiveness of every possible issue raised. Even to the point of defying logic, as in AG comment, that it’s not a crime to witness, (he should have added: accomplice or accessory) and/or fail to report a felony crime in progress.
            So I would think the denial of it being a real gun, would have long since been thrown on the table. I think the more feasible scenario is they are avoiding any attention called to. I have a viable reason for this theory, among other concerns with the video…~ TBC ~
            But I will say I would think if they tried to claim it wasn’t real, there’s ample gun experts out there that could essentially validate by zooming in on, perhaps even it’s make & model? Or at least the likelihood of ammunition type it fires. Then again I could be wrong.
            I will say with 99.9% certainty the revolver image is very real. In a self taken shot of just the gun in hand perspective, as they sit in car driver seat alone. With expressed plans to go relieve stress. As well as their identity (athlete & has an association with a few certain people) I’m going to assume there is a min age rqd in to carry a handgun in Jefferson county, OH? (Age of kid 16/17).
            ->When was the car windows shooting?
            The dual gun image looks to be most likely a real rifle, the other I’m not so sure. Only bc it looks like a semi-automatic or other… I will see if some of my military friends can identify any. Interestingly it appears to be the same night of the Assault. I should do a close comparison…
            Note I am also basing my general assessment on 2 months of extensive investigative type research, showing endless evidence of a few very illegal activities, by or in association with. In addition to some various passing references of guns.
            It is very apparent these kids, and even some young & older adults, have absolutely no fear being forthcoming on their illegal activities… incriminating each other or 3rd parties in the process! Worse is what that indicates in regards to those who should enforce the laws. But it’d be foolish to think some are not apart to any of these activities, and avoiding hypocrisy seems to be an unwritten rule! /: Seems guns for some might suit the profile. And for others likely an almost neccesity per their “jobs,” said in the broadest definition of.
            Should we really be surprised.? Considering most if not all are far less sinister crimes than rape. Or that a notable portion of the community sees nothing wrong with gang raping young girls. So much so, they think it’s ok to further victimize the victim after suffering such a heinous act. Then resort to the use of all tactics to obstruct any real justice for.
            I’d say it’s beyond fair and legit to surmise other illegal activity is pursued by without pause. Void of and foreign to, any shame, remorse, or regrets. IMHO
            That a such a place exists, is a very sad reality.

  125. Alchemist says:

    @prinnie February 13, 2013 at 9:13 pm · Reply

    Now is the time for those who live in Steubenville to start calling the DOJ themselves and making complaints or voicing their concerns. Nothing will change until the people make it so. Dewine has stated that they wouldn’t charge the others because they don’t believe there is enough evidence to do so. Will he charge them if new information comes to light?

    That is the $64,000 question. I think we’ll have some of the answers in about a month.

    • Premeditation also implies the perpetrator of a crime had time to consider and reconsider the ramifications of the plan. That makes a difference to me in judging character, especially if the perpetrators are of an age when we expect their worst behavior to be rash, impulsive and quickly regretted. The testimony in the transcript from the hearing did not address that premeditation either way, if I recall correctly.

    • Alchemist, do you think that is why the prosecution does not re-examine more of the evidence? To avoid having to bring more up on charges or to have to take it to adult criminal level? I am fairly suspicious, myself, that DeWine doesn’t want this to be expanded. We could probably come up with a list of unanswered questions that are not necessarily going to be answered if not forced on DeWine. I am thinking of the drugging issue, the premeditation issue, and the very strange disinterest they seem to show in recovering social media and cell phone times and locations of erased transmissions. Do we even know if they ever examined ANY of the home computers where phone media is so often uploaded first?

  126. Alchemist says:

    Leigh LaFon (@DenverElle) February 15, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Alchemist, do you think that is why the prosecution does not re-examine more of the evidence? To avoid having to bring more up on charges or to have to take it to adult criminal level? I am fairly suspicious, myself, that DeWine doesn’t want this to be expanded. We could probably come up with a list of unanswered questions that are not necessarily going to be answered if not forced on DeWine. I am thinking of the drugging issue, the premeditation issue, and the very strange disinterest they seem to show in recovering social media and cell phone times and locations of erased transmissions. Do we even know if they ever examined ANY of the home computers where phone media is so often uploaded first?

    To be honest, we simply don’t know what is going on — many of us (including myself) are fearful of a coverup or whitewash — what many of us (again including me) would like is for some reassurance that all leads are being followed, and that no stone is being left unturned.

    Unfortunately, we’re not going to get any such detailed assurances, as this would tend to tip the prosecution’s hand to the defense. We’re all going to have to wait for the trial, to see it all come out in the wash.

    The problem we have here, is that we’re all in the same situation as the 3 blind men in the story, who were examining an elephant. The one who felt the tail said it was like a rope, the one who felt one of legs said it was like a pillar, and the one who felt the side described it as a wall.

    All we have are disparate, disjointed pieces of the puzzle. The problem is only compounded by the manner in which the pieces were collected. Don’t get me wrong — I like Anonymous, and if it weren’t for the attention they helped draw to this case, it may have been well and truly buried, but you simply must admit that the methodology they are forced to use is less than optimal.

    Collecting tips anonymously, as they have, makes it well-nigh impossible to properly evaluate the information they are collecting. Anonymous tells us that they only publish information after it has been collected from several independent sources — the problem is that it is difficult for them to question or interrogate these sources without sacrificing their anonymity. Furthermore, you have to bear in mind that, to the best of my knowledge at least, none of the people involved in this data-collection have any journalistic training or experience (neither have I, to be honest.)

    Experienced journalists will tell you flat-out, that relying on anonymous (or semi-anonymous) tipsters can be a short route to disaster. The problem is, that it’s far too easy to jump to conclusions from incomplete or even erroneous data — you can stick you neck out, and have it neatly sliced off. How do you know that someone doesn’t have a pre-existing agenda, for example? How do you know that you’re not being fed a line?

    It’s all too easy to get things wrong. Just in the last day or two, a poster called Just the facts please made a post in the Who’s to Blame? thread. In that posting, they pointed out that it was Mark Cole’s former girlfriend who allegedly helped lure Jane Doe to the parties where she would be assaulted.

    Localleaks posted a photo of Mark Cole and his current girlfriend, Makenzie Santaro, and named her as the perpetrator of the acts which were actually carried out by the Mark Cole’s former girlfriend. Prinnie stated that she was aware of this, and had evidence that the former girlfriend was laughing at the way that Cole’s new girlfriend was taking all the heat for something she didn’t do.

    Mackenzie’s aunt has stated that the girl has been on the receiving end of threats and abuse as a result of being named in the Localleaks disclosures.

    On Radionewz.net, Lee Stranahan had a strip torn off of him by a poster by the name of kim, who made any number of cogent points. You can read their excellent posting here: http://radionewz.net/2013/02/is-the-steubenville-storys-final-chapter-soon-to-be-written/comment-page-1/#comment-16369

    As Kim correctly pointed out, we have only the transcript of the probable cause hearing to go on. The state is only going to provide the barest minimum of information required to support the laying of charges and to have the defendants bound over for trial.

    • noone says:

      Take a pic on phone maybe unrecoverable [I still question] but they transmitted. Once you transmit you have used service provider plus any social network you posted to. Subpoena service provider and social networks for files that maybe still exist?

      • noone says:

        Sorry you said that plus explained why they wont say whether its been done or not [i.e. wait for trial]. I would think though if they did it then more people would be facing charges. I do not understand why Nodi isn’t.

        • prinnie says:

          If they didn’t subpoena these services there will be even more accusations of foul play, IMO.

        • C Morgan says:

          So very true! The most logical step to narrow down the initial person of interest list, compiled from the crime/incident report, social media, & first interviews.
          As well as verify who was where, when, with who…
          Who sent MMS (multimedia message system)/ texts with data. And where those went. Essentially a trail of any persons of interest, and their actual activity during that night.
          Cross referencing those to JD cell records, would then give a very legitimate potential suspect list.
          Idk if providers maintain on file, cell to tower ping activity?? But if so, that only further pinpoints more precise locations of users, and any direct parallels with JD’s.
          Yes 100%, if records aren’t entered as evidence in March, the investigation was a sham from the start!

    • Thanks for the link, Alchemist. A excellent commenter response to Stranahan by Kim, indeed.

  127. Alchemist says:

    @noone February 15, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    Take a pic on phone maybe unrecoverable [I still question] but they transmitted. Once you transmit you have used service provider plus any social network you posted to. Subpoena service provider and social networks for files that maybe still exist?

    The carriers (i.e. telcos) are not going to have copies of photos transmitted over their networks If I am not mistaken, the only exception to this rule is when the carriers have been served with a data retention order or request. If you’d like to find out what types of information law enforcement can request from a carrier, I’d advise you to visit the following site:

    Cryptome Spying guides as a Digital Forensic Resource
    http://computer-forensics.sans.org/blog/2010/03/02/cryptome-spying-guides-as-a-digital-forensic-resource/

    • noone says:

      Thank you. I was just hoping for an “‘oopsie” where an automatic service might be in place and work against them. You know how backups are being pushed nowadays and things retrieved when they were supposedly gone so when you cross that many systems an image may still be somewhere that might get deleted eventually but not gone yet.

  128. Alchemist says:

    @prinnie February 15, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    If they didn’t subpoena these services there will be even more accusations of foul play, IMO.

    Indeed. I think that computers should have been checked as well. What we have here is a de-facto, if not de-jure, child pornography ring. Examples that I have pointed out, from other jurisdictions, appear to show that this is treated far more seriously than it apparently has been in this instant case.

    • prinnie says:

      IMO if they didn’t attempt to retrieve all of this evidence from the onset, they weren’t interested in finding it. I’m anxious to hear the details of the early investigation.

  129. Alchemist says:

    noone February 16, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Thank you. I was just hoping for an “‘oopsie” where an automatic service might be in place and work against them. You know how backups are being pushed nowadays and things retrieved when they were supposedly gone so when you cross that many systems an image may still be somewhere that might get deleted eventually but not gone yet.

    Unfortunately, such services exist primarily for computers (e.g. Carbonite). I believe that iTunes does something similar for iPhones, but the service is not automatic, having to be turned on the by user, and the user also has to sync his phone via cable with his computer. (N.B.: That is my understanding — I’m not 100% certain of this — I refuse to carry a cellphone. I consider cellphones to be tracking devices that just happen to make phone calls.)

  130. Alchemist says:

    C Morgan February 16, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    So very true! The most logical step to narrow down the initial person of interest list, compiled from the crime/incident report, social media, & first interviews.
    As well as verify who was where, when, with who…
    Who sent MMS (multimedia message system)/ texts with data. And where those went. Essentially a trail of any persons of interest, and their actual activity during that night.
    Cross referencing those to JD cell records, would then give a very legitimate potential suspect list.
    Idk if providers maintain on file, cell to tower ping activity?? But if so, that only further pinpoints more precise locations of users, and any direct parallels with JD’s.
    Yes 100%, if records aren’t entered as evidence in March, the investigation was a sham from the start!

    You might find the following documents of interest:

    Data Retention by Major Cellular Providers 3
    http://cryptome.org/isp-spy/cellular-spy3.pdf

    LAW ENFORCEMENT TELEPHONE INVESTIGATIONS RESOURCE GUIDE – Cellular, Satellite & VoIP Phone Providers
    http://cryptome.org/isp-spy/le-tel-spy.pdf

    The entire series of guides can be found here: http://cryptome.org/isp-spy/online-spying.htm

    • C Morgan says:

      Thank you for the links. Very interesting what all is attainable, if they were looking! Further seals it for me, how valuable the provider records really Can be! Sure it can vary with each company what details/data is kept and for how long, but I am confident fully that the info from gives a solid detailed location timeline of most (knowing firsthand teens rarely stop using their cells except to sleep!). Circumstantial in regards to rape, sure… but certainly confirms those an accessory to, or witnessed, or failed to report, from which accomplices or other perpetrators then get ruled in or out. It’s significant evidence to prosecute bystanders who ARE a part to the crime, and did nothing! And the potential to recover at least some data, enough of a possibility to be completely negligent if LE failed to secure these! But then unlike the data from the confiscated cells processed, there wouldn’t be so much room to filter through what was or was not brought to the table! Also without the provider records, how in the heck did they verify each and every phone, SIM card, etc… Belonged to the owner, and was same of each part in use the night of?? Especially in light of prior knowledge they were coming for the phones!

  131. Alchemist says:

    prinnie February 16, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    IMO if they didn’t attempt to retrieve all of this evidence from the onset, they weren’t interested in finding it. I’m anxious to hear the details of the early investigation.

    One thing that I stumbled across that gives me a tiny glimmer of hope, is the story, reproduced below, courtesy of Holly over at BBIS. In a nutshell, these investigators were pulled off of a murder investigation and a drug investigation. I am hoping that this is a sign that the Ohio AG’s office are indeed serious, and that this is not going to be a whitewash, as we have all feared it might be.

    Ohio BCI Agents Reassigned To Steubenville Rape Case
    http://bustedbitchesandinternetstalkers.com/2013/01/15/ohio-bci-agents-reassigned-to-steubenville-rape-case/

    What does this mean? Time will tell, but I cant imagine the BCI would pull agents off of a case they were actively working if they didn’t think there was something worth looking into.

    LISBON, Ohio – The state of Ohio’s investigation into the Steubenville rape case is being felt in Columbiana County, as Sheriff Ray Stone said the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation has pulled two agents from the county and reassigned them to work on the rape case.

    Read the entire story on The Intelligencer http://theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/579942/Agents-Reassigned-to-Rape-Case.html?nav=515

  132. JD#13 says:

    This young lady has so much courage. Survivor of Orange County, CA’s most notorious rape speaks out and mentions Jane Doe from the Steubenville rape case. Her story bears striking similarities to the case in Steubenville.

    http://sanjuancapistrano.patch.com/articles/survivor-of-oc-s-most-notorious-rape-speaks-out-for-all-jane-does

  133. C Morgan says:

    With the SOS for higher intervention ignored, I have one last hope, going beyond the monetary civil action suits that will undoubtedly follow. That is, the DOJ is intentionally sitting back… Allowing the criminal process to proceed as the local officials see fit, up to a conclusive ruling at trial. In addition they are likely noting any possible failures of the AG to adequately oversee and/or intervene. Upon closing of the case, with regards to the vast amounts of potential negligence, the DOJ would then make their move. 
    Would this tactic not give them more grounds to then scrutinize the entire process? From the LE investigation, through the judicial prosecution, and up to final sentencing. Especially if any trial testimony or evidence, documented on legal record, implicates further related crimes, potential suspects of any, or negligence by any officials.
    So Basically the local justice system hands the DOJ a neat & tidy package of foundational evidence. The DOJ uses as the basis to further probe into any official’s wrongdoing or negligence, to include failure to pursue other legal action where warranted. While at the same time, also clearly establishes the AG’s absence, and further lack of corrective action at any juncture.
    It seems logical to me. And I now recall reading a statement, that the DOJ would be closely watching the case play out…?
    In the same light, I suspect the ACLU would await final rulings to then evaluate the authenticated substance of the investigation & prosecution of the case. Based upon any findings of, they can address JD’s civil rights violations of adequate and entitled justice.

  134. Alchemist says:

    @C Morgan February 19, 2013 at 4:45 am

    As much as I’d like to see the Feds/DOJ step in, the fly in the ointment here is double-jeopardy, is it not? Once the legal process has concluded, it will not be possible to put the defendants on trial a second time for the same offense. Whether they could be prosecuted for additional offenses such as child pornography is open to question.

    • prinnie says:

      The feds CAN pursue federal charges on violations such as transmittal of child porn. Many times when the state charges a defendant, the feds can step in and charge them federally as well.

  135. Alchemist says:

    prinnie February 20, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    The feds CAN pursue federal charges on violations such as transmittal of child porn. Many times when the state charges a defendant, the feds can step in and charge them federally as well.

    Thanks for clarifying that. The American legal system is enough to make my head explode — where I live, we have only 1 criminal code, which covers the entire country. I cannot fathom what it would be like to have 51 or 52 (50 states +federal + tribal lands?). No wonder America has so many lawyers; no wonder you have so many people incarcerated.

    I’ve had a quick look at the Federal statutes: 18 USC 2252 and 2252A:

    See: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2252?quicktabs_8=3#quicktabs-8
    See also: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2252A

    The problematic text in both statutes is as follows:

    Affirmative Defense.— It shall be an affirmative defense to a charge of violating subsection (a)(5) that the defendant—
    (1) possessed less than three images of child pornography; and
    (2) promptly and in good faith, and without retaining or allowing any person, other than a law enforcement agency, to access any image or copy thereof—
    (A) took reasonable steps to destroy each such image; or
    (B) reported the matter to a law enforcement agency and afforded that agency access to each such image.

    The affirmative defenses are where they would probably get off: first, because there are likely less than 3 images, and second, because they took reasonable steps to destroy the images.

    Now, mind, I’m not a lawyer, I’m not even an American… but I can see where any defense attorney will attempt to make maximum use of these affirmative defenses under the law.

    • C Morgan says:

      Breaking it down on the fly here from more the prosecution side. (:
      (1) to prove they didn’t, noting already shown evidence it was intentionally deleted… near impossible to say How many. Admitting to or witnesses say they did take at least one, reasonable cause for taking more than. Only way to disprove or prove, would be to show actual provider records supporting real time activity, at least by transmission of the media in some way. But without undoctored cells, memory in exact condition of at nights end, I say more a moot point here for defense.
      If A video was taken, I will assume it’s a more serious grounds and would also cancel this out.
      (2) may not apply because of testimony and online documentation, (phone records would help here! /: ) that images were shared by sending or showing others directly. Also were deleted prior to warrant seizing. They Were potential photographic evidence of another crime in progress (thus destruction of, or tampering with, or hindering an investigation/obstruction of justice, or failure to report photos/assault) Also Sounds like LE needs to have been willingly provided access to. I
      Im thinking this overall defense, applies more to if someone sends you a random image or images, unsolicited. You notify authorities of it & source, having deleted it immediately. Or you provide pics to them ASAP. Proving no personal criminal intent, doing your civic duty so victim of can be identified & contacted, as well as the criminal who took it addressed.

  136. Alchemist says:

    18 USC 2256 might be the statute that might possibly be more applicable here:

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2256

  137. C Morgan says:

    @alchemist,
    I meant the others, as in the real likelihood that other rapist exist. The failure to charge at minimum the accomplices of, bystanders that witnessed… Parents of homes, underage drinking never addressed. The 2 on trial are the scapegoats in this case. Guilty? I’d say most likely, but up to the prosecution to prove it without confessions or plea deals. Although it could, i guess, become an issue on how the charges were reduced to juvenile offenses. Or perhaps the shady immunity deals granted, if they were truly legal? Additional crimes by even those 2 that could have ample supporting evidence come to light, yet not charged with. (As Prinnie noted)
    I am mainly though referencing the piling up issues that keep arising with this case pointing to gross negligence by powers that be.
    Based upon what is proven in trial (the obviously rehearsed, coached, lying by omission, & yet contradicting PC hearing testimony, aside.) When the trial evidence & testimony comes to record, it brings questions needing asked of & answered. Some being Possible criminal acts-
    If any potentially incriminates others of rape or pandering etc… Or things such as Investigation never obtained phone records of at least several main persons of interest, and from those potentially more, why? That the Nodi video account was disregarded, why? Personal PCs & iPads were never checked. Cloud, Twitter, Instagram personal & those sites main data sources never accessed. Frequent meetings between JH & Detective daily in the first days of investigation (as evidence was collected & interviews ongoing). Why was FB at one or more of these meetings… How they so quickly concluded charging those 2 & only those 2 when they had no data back on phones, varying stories of which only 1 person pointed at one of the 2 charged. Why firsthand accounts of night or committing crimes via social media blatantly disregarded?? The beyond obvious factor it was premeditated & CS conspired it. And did the payoff meeting happen? why did sheriff keep changing story on his case involvement? The very real issue that prior similar crimes occurred, and they have never charged anyone, implying a serial type crime. The addition to same suspects committing other crimes yet uncharged? Why JH tried to discourage victim from coming forward? How & why the warrant sought phone owners, knew they were coming to confiscate, and evidence of crime testified to have existed was destroyed? Assuming not, why wasn’t the victim instructed to seek hair follicle drug test?
    So basically giving probable cause and then some… that the investigation was negligent at best. The failure to prosecute other suspects, or at least explore all routes to uncover any just cause to arrest. Lacking charges already apparent. Improper interactions between officials at stages of investigation, re. Who & what charges, & any preliminary questionable actions prior to judicial proceedings, etc… If the trial provides further causes of suspicion for any of these, by way of testimony or submitted evidence, Foundational evidence of wrongdoing comes into play.
    Thus the Feds are giving them just enough slack to hang themselves on record, resulting in more concrete cause for DOJ to pursue after.
    Who’s to say with local LE’s guard was down, (re. the “threats”) when the FBI had easy access to their data system, they haven’t already recovered some evidence of? That will only become more relevant as the local officials proceed as is and upon case being closed.

  138. C Morgan says:

    And here you have shown yet another gaping hole in the investigation. Did I miss how long this relatively common tech tool been in use… Among varying levels of LE??
    “Oh what a tangled web ‘they’ weave, when ‘they’ practice to deceive.”

  139. C Morgan says:

    http://www.inquisitr.com/548620/steubenville-rape-trial-40-witnesses-subpoened/
    Press is briefed on rules of during trial. Irony- no tweeting!

    • C Morgan, I just read that link you posted. Thanks! As for tweeting, if live streaming is permitted, will tweeps just tweet from that – from outside the courtroom?

      • C Morgan says:

        Good point! I would think that it very well may happen. To prevent or even monitor is a near impossible feat. Unless in a post trial capacity, given tweets directly linked to media sources? Close down a global site over a small town trial at the loss of millions per sec/min, not going to happen! Technology to block or filter just one site in select area? No clue. Coordinate with Twit some preventive measures? Doubt it. And how bad would that look if associated original tweets weren’t subpeonaed and entered into evidence!? Idk how they can truly enforce, or hold in contempt of court, all violations…

  140. C Morgan says:

    http://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=Character-and-Rape-in-Ohio-by-William-Boardman-130205-110.html

    Likely posted in past but… I must have missed it.
    An older, yet very insightful article… collective account of early reports & details in the case. Including support of this site, and some facts regarding.
    Even as just a refresher, a very worthwhile read. Also adds some validity to a lingering question or two.
    Some odd comments follow??

  141. C Morgan says:

    Just to share again… for any who may have missed or perhaps new. A history lesson on why the cloud of suspicion hangs over this case. In addition to other factors that continue surfacing. The historians have done their homework and then some.

    http://radionewz.net/2013/01/steubenville-attorney-frank-bruzzese-goes-to-facebook-and-gets-accused-of-cronyism/frank-speaks-up-for-jane/#comments

    • prinnie says:

      I am constantly fascinated by the howls of NO CORRUPTION HERE…MOVE ALONG NOW from those with much to lose from a much needed administrative enema, and that the residents of this town who are sick of it are literally having to BEG the government to come in and at least do an inquiry.

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  144. C Morgan says:

    Just sharing a view on the Howarth statement…

    Seriously?? Did Mr. Howarth miss the CASE of cheap beer just hanging out, clearly depicted in the Nodi video?? Never mind the rifle tossed casually on the floor. 
    Many states hold parents fully liable for any parties, underage drinking, etc., whether they’re home or not. Regardless if they were even aware. But this is not the case of this particular location.
    Cheap beer + teenage boys + basement party = the obvious! Kids have already admitted to drinking at all 3 locations. A parent was home.
    Is it any wonder why the kids lie, and are without accountability or morals?!
    Consider the other alleged liability factor. Force 4 drunk idiots, mostly minors, out their door. To knowingly drive under the (admitted) influence? To include literally carrying out a highly intoxicated and ill young girl. Having not intervened on her behalf, called their parents, or even notified emergency personnel!
    Regardless if they came drunk or not, the alleged liability for their well being, became the responsibility of the property owner upon entry inside the home. 
    The fact a crime occurred, be it the potential DUI of an underage person, or the actual convicted rape and lewd filming of… Which immediately followed in the car, in route from said property, to the next rape location.
    In most eyes of the law, they would find gross negligence had occurred. Having allegedly contributed to the circumstances, as to the commission of a crime: 
    The rape of a minor in a known prior to, incapacitated and defenseless state.

    • C Morgan says:

      Crap, move this if you need to. I just noted the unusual post above mine after. I just hit more recent initially to post on, & bc related to Nodi video blog. /: (:

  145. cahy boyert says:

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  147. emt says:

    I so hope someone, judge over grand jury, don’t know who, just someone not in the near locale of the crimes is reading CMorgans insightful comments thaat have appeared here often. Actually C. shoud be the one with a real crime blog. Alchemist comments had been good too though said he lived in UK. Who knows. Just hope someone w/ a brain outside of Steub. keeps following the smart commentors (few and far between) who show up occasionally on blogs.

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