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“You’re going to get yours”…and people wondered why anyone who lives in that town was terrified to use their real names when it comes to discussing this case!
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I am BEYOND sickened by all this!!! Not just what these assholes did to that girl but also what that coach did and said! Is this truly someone who should be coaching kids or being anywhere near the juvenile system? What also bothers me is this portion…
“The lawyers for the boys also said the three athletes who testified against their clients had credibility issues. The lawyers said that the police had found nude photographs of women on the phone of one of the witnesses, and that two witnesses had admitted recording some aspect of the suspected assault. Those alone could be crimes, the lawyers said, but the witnesses were given immunity from prosecution. Their testimony, the lawyers suggested, might have been given in a bid for leniency. ”
So it’s OK to take pictures and videos of this assault and admit sharing them with others (as stated earlier in the article) yet they get immunity because they spoke to the police? BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don’t give a shit what chief Mccafferty says, that city is corrupt and yes they are getting a slap on the wrist only because they are Big Red players.
As someone who lives in a small town in Southern Ohio I can tell you they keep their secrets and very little regard for state or federal laws. They make their own or enforce the ones on books as they see fit. Sports and more specifically Football is a religion and the star players,God. These star players are coddled and protected at all costs.
This is just really horrible. I’m glad the NYT picked up this story, because people need to know about this culture of “acceptable” violence. A family member of mine is an award-winning h.s. football coach in Indiana, and he would be simply appalled if any of his players had ever committed such a heinous, disgusting act. It points to our responsibility as adults to lead children of all ages. Not punishing kids because “they didn’t think they did anything wrong” is an asinine concept that perpetuates the cycle of disrespect and entitlement that more and more young people, particularly young MEN, seem to exhibit in this day and age. Bravo to you for keeping this story alive.
As someone who teaches in gender studies where sexual violence issues and social media are regularly covered, I was glad to see this blog and to see it mentioned in NYTimes.com. I also appreciate your related posts, including the one on Adji Desir. Students in one of my classes read Casper and Moore’s Missing Bodies, which addresses the value assessments we make about who counts and who does not. I’m happy to follow your blog and include it among resources that are useful for teaching about these issues. Good luck with the Steubenville case. I found the coaches’ statements particularly appalling. If we wonder why an entire group of young people did not step up to do the right thing, we need only look at the adults guiding them.
The coach and the entire school system have made collective asses of themselves. IMO Reno should be asked to retire immediately and McVey should make a public apology for his lack of accountibility and leadership.
Who would have guessed. God Bless the ACLU, and you, and the NY times. These pricks control who can and can’t get their electricty turned on( Yes get on their bad side, then try to get the electric company to turn your electric on). They arrest people who put websites up they dont’ like. They lose evidence in courts. I’ve even had a judge take my money in that shit town county. The only reason I mention this here, and im sure if they can they will harass me over it is, I appriece what you, the ACLU and the NY Times are doing to bring the shit in this Mafia controlled town to light. When you mix shit with ice cream, it just destroys the ice cream, unforunately.. the shit isn’t damaged. There are a lot of good police, and judges in this area. Unforunately there are a few who don’t follow the laws everyone else is supose to in Ohio. Im sure they are just waiting to get you into civil court, so they can jail you for some contempt charge or something. http://www.innocentinmates.org/koniski/ This county is as bad or worse than some communist dictatorship. Everyone is SCARED to talk! If you out of towners only knew 1/2 of what goes on, and 1/2 of what is claimed, you would be amazed. I posted on TV9′s website the other day of the old accusations of Toronto Ohio’s Police dept years ago beating up people, selling stolen goods, having drug partys, and even rumors of them raping women in the graveyard. Is it true? I don’t know for sure, but tons of people use to claim it. I don’t think that goes on anymore, atleast to that extent, but it gives you an idea of this area. And people all over Ohio, law enforcement, etc, have heard about what goes on in this area. What I find funny is a lot worse things than this has occured, done by the “officials” and the Feds , FBI, etc never does anything. I guess if you want to be corrupt, this is the place in the USA to do it!
Let me see if I understand this right; two boys apparently attacked a girl and all the focus is on the football team and the coach because they were football players? That’s not right or fair to the rest of the players. Even the quote above is out of context based on my reading; he was angry with the reporters, not threatening people for talking about the crime. Putting the coach aside, who I agree could do more, you are stigmatizing a few dozen high school boys who may have nothing to do with the alleged assault.
I read in the NYT that this site is a national forum on violence - yet there’s hardly any articles or postings here. Regardless, I also read that this site had identified substantial evidence regarding the crime - if so, good job! Maybe you should post that. But be careful, while the justice systems is imperfect, it’s the only one we have. If you use this site to destroy lives in the name of an apparently just cause, you’ve only added tragedy on top of tragedy.
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Dave, the outrage is not just about the two boys who were charged but also those who proceeded to take pictures and videos and upload them to various social media sites and share them with their friends. The many who were at these parties, saw what was happening and did nothing! Instead they bragged about it on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram etc. As far as I am concerned, those who sat back and did nothing are just as bad as those who did rape her. Ever see the movie “The Accused” ? If not watch it. I lived around the area that rape happened at that time and those who sat around watching the rape take place were charged and found guilty.
People are also outraged that the coaches did nothing. They did not bench players for even underage drinking at those parties. Most school athletics have rules that are supposed to be adhered to. Those rules are that no athlete is to participate in any illegal behavior in or out of school and here you have not only underage drinking by all those at the parties but also have the first party starting at an assistant coaches house where alcohol was supplied!! What’s wrong with this picture??
You said…
“I read in the NYT that this site is a national forum on violence – yet there’s hardly any articles or postings here. Regardless, I also read that this site had identified substantial evidence regarding the crime – if so, good job! Maybe you should post that. But be careful, while the justice systems is imperfect, it’s the only one we have. If you use this site to destroy lives in the name of an apparently just cause, you’ve only added tragedy on top of tragedy.”
In case you are not aware of it, if you scroll all the way to the bottom of the home page of this site you will see on the bottom right where it says, “Older Entries” If you click on those words, you will find many blogs written not only about this case with all the screen shots from the kids social media sites, but also many articles about other crimes too.
It’s almost comical if it weren’t for that fact that this victim most certainly won’t be the only one to suffer from these kind of attacks, only to be ostracized and demonized when they seek any kind of justice.
Who does this guy think he is? A football coach at some impoverished town full of ignorant and small minded people whose happiness is somewhat predicated on the results of a high school athletic game, yet acts and apparently thinks he is some type of militia chieftain. I hope the NYTimes reporter, who has probably been to war zones and talked to far more dangerous (let alone truly powerful) people dozens of times, appropriately laughed in his face.
I would hazard a guess that many people in this small town (many of the same people attacking this girl) view themselves as Christians and attend services regularly. Pathetic
Reno Saccoccia needs to be fired immediately for threatening that reporter. What the hell is wrong with Steubensville? I came here from Jezebel — thank you so much for bringing this case to light and for everything you’ve done — this story needed to be told. You are incredibly brave to break the news and then wait months for it to be picked up; I’m so glad it did. Keep fighting!
http://jezebel.com/5969076/we-wouldnt-know-about-the-steubenville-rape-case-if-it-wasnt-for-the-blogger-who-complicated-things
Thank you. I’m just glad that the attention is on this case - back where it needs to be rather than the SLAPP suit.
At least this sick story is reaching people in the UK and Ireland now, as well as all over the US. Some people have some serious answering to do.
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I’m very glad the NYT has dedicated considerable space to this story. Let’s keep sharing it.
“You’re going to get yours. And if you don’t get yours, somebody close to you will.”
Unfortunately, there may be many people whom heard those words spoken before and not just by Reno. Some of the stories the older folks may have told their families would definitely have them concerned enough not to speak out. . I lived in Steubenville and know that scare tactics and intimidation was widely used. I for one have always been an outspoken person and have been reminded a time or two that my way of thinking is not how the “family” thinks.
There are many good people that live in Steubenville and there are some that are on the wrong side of fence.
I am glad that the focus is back on the case where it should have been all along. All though I can not blame any individual for being afraid to speak out. This is hard to understand if you are not a ville resident because we live in a Country where we should not be afraid to voice our opinion.
I would think that they need an entire new Superintendent, Principal and Coaching Staff based on the NY times quotes. If I was a parent of a student they would be transferred immediately regardless if they have a “winning” football program . I would not want a coach like that leading any of my sons nor would I want anything to happen to my daughter by a football athlete under the current regime if the coach is supposed to handle it and not the Superintendent of Schools and the School Principal.
Thank goodness Prinnie that they can see now. The veil has been lifted and justice for August is coming…..big time.
Where was Brian Gossett when his members were ridiculing your investigation? Funny it took the NY Times to deliver the exact same message wrapped with a bow.
“Where was Brian Gossett when his members were ridiculing your investigation? Funny it took the NY Times to deliver the exact same message wrapped with a bow.”
Exactly! He had the opportunity to speak up about this months ago but instead chose to allow his forum members to post hate filled comments about Prinnie including photo shopped pictures of her Why? Because she was shining the light on their team and their coaches. Now that the NYT’s has picked it up he acts appalled?
How’s that steaming pile of crow taste there Brian?
Good grief, he thanked Bloomdaddy…WTH? Bloomer ran from this story after about a week. But..at least Gossett did post that statement. Gotta give him credit for stepping up, even tho it’s now Dec. 17th.
Yeah he thanks Bloomdaddy. You know the same Bloomdaddy who blamed the victim just like the volunteer coach did.
” As he stood in the shadow of Harding Stadium, where he once dazzled the crowd with his runs, Hubbard gave voice to some of the popular, if harsh, suspicions.
“The rape was just an excuse, I think,” said the 27-year-old Hubbard, who is No. 2 on the Big Red’s career rushing list.
“What else are you going to tell your parents when you come home drunk like that and after a night like that?” said Hubbard, who is one of the team’s 19 coaches. “She had to make up something. Now people are trying to blow up our football program because of it.”
Funny that’s the same exactly story Bloomdaddy used on air to blame the victim!
Remember this?
http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/only-9-steubenville-high-school-head-football-coac/nSBp8/
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/sports/high-school-football-rape-case-unfolds-online-and-divides-steubenville-ohio.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
Good catch Bud! Passing the buck back and forth. Isn’t that what they did at Penn State too?
http://deadspin.com/5969103/how-an-alleged-rape-involving-ohio-high-school-football-players-unfolded-on-twitter-instagram-and-youtube?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Wow Bud. Great catch!! I almost forgot about that comment. Solidifies my point that they need a leadership change there and I know for a fact there are tons of qualified and compassionate teachers that could lead Steubenville to the a better moral compass than those currently in positions there. Unbelievable. Thanks Bud!
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Desperate small towns with no prospects hide behind the glory of their local high school football team. Sad and pathetic. It takes a certain sadistic quality to be a high school football coach; sounds like Coach Saccoccia fits the bill.
Let’s also not forget that Coach Reno Saccoccia also works at the Juvenile and Probation Department. One of the rapists Malik Richmond lives with a School Board member. This stuff goes deep in the Steubenville Government. Here’s Joey’s relational map that shows the relationships of some of these people running things there…
http://behindtheyellowtape.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/steubenville-network1.jpg
Click on it to enlarge it.
It’s pretty clear from this chart that the Feds need to step in and take over this case….what a hotbed of nepotism and corruption…..or maybe just roll in some tanks and steamrollers and bury the entire town under 15-20 feet of clean fill. This town sounds like Hell on Earth. In any civilized town an assistant coach would be locked up for hosting a drinking party for teenagers…..Saccoccia reminds me of a certain Penn State coach currently in prison, only more aggressive.
The entire town isn’t like this. I live in the area and there are many good law-abiding citizens here who don’t behave like that and would never say things like that. Hopefully the attention brought to Steubenville by the SLAPP lawsuit will direct attention back to where it needs to be; the gang-rape of that young girl where the light shouldn’t have left in the first place.
Booboo not only is Malik Richmonds legal guardian mr agresta on the school board mrs agresta is a teacher in the district…
The administration and coaches should be held accountable. Who should be contacted in the state of Ohio about this?
http://www.newsradio1170.com/player/?station=WWVA-AM&program_name=podcast&program_id=BLOOMDADDY.xml&mid=22722198
Bloomdaddy should be careful. He called him Tony Soprano — he could get sued for defamation for that. Just sayin’. LOL I’m really upset about the victim blaming going on.
I know. It rings of the “manson” comments from posters on this blog.
The bottom line is that the school system, including its board chose to do the wrong thing. From the very start of rumors of a rape in April, teachers and students were talking and they chose to do nothing. Another rape happened in August and they still declined to take action. They were aware that people were upset with their decision making and they did not give a shit. Now it comes out that nude pics of other women were found on a defendant’s phone! This is not an isolated incident and I am sick and tired of the Victim blaming. My guy friends would not have raped me but made me a pot of coffee.
Interesting point made by Bloomdaddy in the last segment of the show. Bloomdaddy says that the valley does not deal well with outside opinions. Someone may want to listen again to get his exact quote.
More upsetting is the fact that these men blame the victim for what happened because she was drunk. Unbelievable
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_12/the_steubenville_ohio_rape_cas041872.php
I think the bigger issue with Coach Reno in the whole story, even more than the “Tony Sporano” comment to the reporters is the fact that he, and some of his coaching staff goes into court and testifies as a character witness. I mean saying some things in the heat of the moment to a reporter that you don’t want to talk to is one thing. Should he have handled that with more class, yes, but I’m not going to damn for that. But to go into a court, sit on the stand, and tell the judge and victim, and her family that these boys are good character kids is appalling! Even if all the severe rumors about this case go and nothing is found, based on the evidence, and testimonies that were presented, he went on the stand and defended their character. Because apparently exposing a girl, exposing yourself to a girl, and fingerbanging her in the back of a car while she basically unresponsive is a sign of great character! Makes me wanna puke. And I hope that his horrible actions, and lack of actions in this case haunt him for the rest of his life.
I am curious who the other individuals and businesses are who testified on their behalf.
Everyone is. I’m going to find out how we can get that information.
What does the latest court docket entry mean? Is a good or bad thing for Prinnie & Does? Does the previous dismissals still stand for the 4 Does? I’m am so thrilled that people are finally seeing this story, people who aren’t afraid to speak out.
JD#9….Yes, the previous dismissals stand. Check your email.
Nothing in my email?? Is this a good thing for Prinnie and the others? Ty
What email? Is this good for Prinnie and the others? I don’t know what the abeyance thing means in regards to the entry.
If you are really JD#9, this is question that your attorney could answer.
The four John Does we’re dismissed with prejudice. It is over for them.
Thank-You oneofmany for the answer. I’m just confused what the abeyance thing meant and is it a good thing for the rest of the Does as well as Prinnie? Again, Thank-You.
Thank-You oneofmany for the answer.
If the victim had gone to the sleepover as she told her parents and not crossed state line to get drunk at a party, none of this would have happened. She’s not innocent. However, at the least, the two football players should spend some hard time in prison.
As a woman, I am stunned that you (presumably a woman) would victim blame. In all due respect I ask you - what if it were your daughter, your niece, or your mother that was violated in such a manner? Would she still be “not innocent”?
I also ask others who might comment to please be respectful. Use this as an educational opportunity - I truly want to understand the mindset and how someone can come to the conclusion that a completely comatose person can give consent. The law clearly states that she cannot. Jan, the floor is yours - everyone else - please be respectful. Thanks.
jan hus, your comment is not only discusting but you are a fool. You have no idea what she told her parents so please don’t act like you do. For those of us that do know her, her family and the true details we are getting quite sick of people like yourself blaming her for what these boys did. It doesn’t matter if she wasn’t where she was suppose to be. It doesn’t matter if she was drinking…..It doesn’t matter if she had sex before…WHAT MATTERS IS ONLY THIS…..SHE DID NOT SAY YES…..And that, fool, is RAPE!!!!
Even if what you said was true, you never, as a 16 year old, lied to your parents about where you were going to be??? I assure you, you did!!! And so did all the others who are making this rediculous statement. EVERY kid there had to lie to attend this party. I am certain that not one of the others there said “hey mom and dad, im heading to a huge party where there is going to be lots of underage drinking and driving, ok?” Open your eyes, you fool!!!!!
well said standingupforthevictim…thank you
I am not sure that jan hus understands the LAW or she would not have made such a ridiculous statement. I too am sick of the victim being blamed. She could not give consent and therefore it was not having sex she was raped.
As for you jan hus you should be ashamed of yourself for even posting your non-sense.
and she might not understand the connection between Weirton, WVa & Steubenville, Oh. All you have to do is cross a bridge to cross state lines. People do it all day long - over and over again. The cities are very intertwined. And please, tell us you never lied to your parents about where you were going when you were a teenager. That one gets me every time.
Jan what would you think if this happened to you or your daughter? Had the boys had self control this would of never happened. Had they had one ounce of respect for women this would of never happened. If she had walked down the street naked it still would not give them the right to do what they did and I am not just talking about the physical rape I am also talking about the emotional rape, the public rape on Twitter and Instagram. Those PIGS are no better. I love how they tell the court, well gee I took a picture to try to help her and show her what happened but instead showed all my friends and then deleted it. Yeah I’m sure that was done to help her. Animals all of them and anyone who defends them or victim blames are just as sick and twisted as these animals who did this to her.
BRAVO BooBoo I could not have said that any better. I truly wonder what example the fathers of all these boys set.
How sad that it seems they were not taught to respect women..
Shame on you RENO. When I lived in the area during the 80′s you had class, or at least I thought you did. I guess it was just a matter of time.
JD#9, abeyance is just a fancy word that means continued. If you’re overly concerned, I would get in touch with someone at the ACLU. Good luck.
oneofmany; I got it now; in the meantime I did contact the Mr Levy and he addressed all my questions. Again, TY. Have safe and happy holidays
You’re welcome, JD#9. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
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Personally I could give a rats ass if they are watching. I hope they are. I also hope the DOJ is watching too. Maybe that’s what needs to happen again. Maybe the Feds need to go in and clean house of the corruption. They don’t like my opinion of them, tough shit! They don’t intimidate me and they shouldn’t intimidate anyone else. See how well that worked for the Saltsman’s?
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He should be tortured with crocodile shears.
In case your wondering what they are, they are medieval shears made of iron and in the shape of a crocodiles mouth with sharp teeth and spikes that when closed formed a long narrow tube. It was treated til it was red hot and then closed over an erect penis. Which, with some tension, ripped it from the persons body.
Sounds like a fitting punishment.
Who in the hell are you talking about, and why in the hell are you bringing up midevil torture?
Who? Guys who rape girls and laugh about it and the men who do nothing about it because their football team is more important.
That girl will be scarred for life and nobody in that town seems to care, all they care about is a high school football team?
Minerva,
Not true. There are plenty of us outraged at what those boys did and same with the coach. I’ve lost all respect for him and now could care less how successful the football team is. Many of us are all about the victim, but many quit posting after the defamation suit was filed. Shame people are afraid to speak their minds, but I think until all the defendants are cleared, free speech will be under the gun and people will shy away from posting.
Trust us, there are a great many of us who remain deeply concerned about the victim here, and pray that she may recover from this horrid assault. We also hope that justice may be served for this victim. May those responsible, including everyone, from the teen partygoers that did nothing to stop the assault and all the adults involved, who have done whatever necessary to keep this nightmare “covered up” and keep the TRUTH from what really happened that night from the citizens of this valley WAKE UP, finally GROW UP and behave like civilized human beings rather than human garbage which is, sadly how you are now perceived. To those of you out there still living the LIE,it’s still not too late to do the RIGHT THING.
As the girl who was raped on wheeling Jesuits campus in Sept this sickens me. bloomdaddy is the biggest piece of crap talk segment I have ever heard. in my case the basketball coach at the university hinted to his players that I lied but covered his ass and said you need to take your consequence which they were kicked out immediately no matter being on scholarships. those who blame the victims need to listen to yourselfs. there is so much evidence that its crazy. aiding and abedding is also a crime. sickens me. people like you is why I didn’t want to go to trial. I had to leave school bc of the incident and bullies.
I am very sorry for what happened but glad you had the courage to speak out here. Misogyny runs rampant in that valley. It’s very sad because this is what their children are learning and it’s WRONG.
honestly I’ve heard so much negativity from adults. parents, uncles, whoever PLEASE TELL YOUR CHILDREN NO MEANS NO!!! if she cannot answer its an automatic no. these superintendents need to be looked at bysmeone even higher
I absolutely agree the school administration needs to be investigated. NEVER should a coach have more power than administration. I think if people make enough noise they can get the Dept of Ed in there to find out why the superintendent didn’t investigate the allegations in August.
There is an anonymous group that posted this information and is pushing for justice which is so touching bc I wish I had this much support. next should be Nancy grace to get this story out there.
I am so sorry for what happened to you as well. God bless you for having the courage to speak out. I am sad that parents, coaches, schools, blame the victims. There are so many unanswered question we all know aiding to cover up what happened is also a crime. My Christmas wish for all the victims and you is that you soon can heal.
You do have support - never feel like you are alone. If you do, please talk to someone. If you want I can send you a phone number of someone who can listen. I do hope mainstream media picks it up — there are others out there who don’t have the courage to come forward. Your voice gives them strength.
thank you so much I do have someone to talk to tho but I appreciate it. is there a way I can email you? Just to talk more in private?
Absolutey - email me at [email protected].
I just found out about this from the posting by Anonymous on a different website. I truly hope that justice is served. For all those making comments that are trying to blame the victim: About 17 years ago I had a roommate, male, who saw a 14-15 year old girl at the midnight movies who was very impaired. He talked to her and found out her address. He drove her home and explained to her mother about the condition she was in and his concern. That is how you act with an impaired person. I’m so sick of the “my child/ these boys wouldn’t do this” line of crap. I’m glad I found this blog and will be paying close attention.
This town is HELL on earth. I’ve seen people like Prinnie , taken into custody, jailed WITHOUT CHARGES just for posting on blogs. I’ve talked to politicians secretaries who tried to expose the corruption here, who then had bogus charges thrown against them shut up, they either had to take their websites down or spend $80K for an attorney trying to fight charges in a corrupt legal arena. We even had one school superintendant whom faced criminal charges because he tried to start a group to get our water rates dropped! And what many are affraid to talk about is our Sheriff whom had charges brought against him years ago by the feds and he beat the charges. These people in steubenville have connections with judges all the way up to the highest levels in Ohio. They have connections to Las Vegas. They even have documented connections to John Gotti. This is not exageration, it can all be documented with a few google searches. Please help bring light to this area, atleast to the point where people are not scared to talk. Without fear of being jaied, or your business shut down by some local inspector who’s a relative doing favors for a politician.
The first thing I thought of as I began to read the NYT article was, here’s another Glen Ridge case. I lived in GR in 1992. This happens all over, junior highs, high schools, colleges, the military ….. Those of us that are pre-Internet generation are well familar with cases like this - we call them “Jodie Foster” cases.
Women have long been the spoils of war since the ancient days of Troy (Helen and her daughters). Women continue to be victimized and society and law enforcement and society allows it.
A sister raped by two superiors while at AIC training. A friend raped in professional school by a roommate’s boyfriend that made disparaging remarks about him. Two roommates raped at college dorm/house parties by strangers. My own husband thinking he could help himself, more than once, when I was taking Ambien and could not consent — and the lead detective of the sexual assault unit of the County (NJ) Prosecutor’s Office treated me like garbage. Despite incriminating evidence, my ex was allowed to walk. Women in the Peace Corps, women that are supposed to be protected by peacekeeping forces, drugged out women in mental hospitals pimped out by the guards after they were done with them (Fannie Farmer case) and then lobotimized.
This is only the tip of the iceberg and what comes to immediate mind. It isn’t going to change, until society changes, and law enforcement culture changes. Most rapes and sexual assaults go unreported because who wants to be victimized a second (cops), third (courts) and fourth (victim’s services) time? I only reported mine at the insistence of my lawyer during the divorce; one that I wanted to be quick, clean, cheap and fair. NEVER AGAIN. I have more PTSD from how law enforcement handled the case, than what he did to me. Some police officers are good, but too many are not. If men are given a free pass at women, then women should be allowed a free pass at whatever they choose to do, legal or not, to their assailants.
It’s Christmas. I want to think about better things and the good in people.
My other thought when reading the first page of the NYT article — a volunteer football coach sponsoring and allowing underage drinking! What was he charged with, if at all. The drinking age is now 21, not 18 like when I was in high school.
There are two stories: (1) he was upstairs (2) he came home and found the party and made them leave. Not sure what is true of the two but that the party was broken up and people went elsewhere.
@prinnie I believe the assistant coach can still be held responsible because it was said that kids were bringing beer even if he wasn’t there he was responsible just like parents are responsible for their children no matter where they are
It seems like there are a lot of kids who are partying and the parents are just turning a blind eye to it. Just like some athletes having the key to the coach’s house to use the pool when he isn’t home. It’s just very odd behavior to me and cements the perceived notion that student athletes are glorified there.
With the Anonymnous Hackster people involved, this does NOT bode well for the people involved in the ” alleged ” cover up from the kids present to the county prosecutor.. According to the hackster’s, they hacked into THE Big Red top blogger’s site ( rollredroll ) and lifted nude and other photos of the girl from the alleged incident. If this is so, does this constitute as ” Child Porn ” in the eyes of the Law? does Media Juris Prudence protect the blogger from hacking? So many questions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/25/sports/hackers-of-steubenville-football-teams-web-site-demand-apology-in-rape-case.html?_r=0
For anyone out there felt need to blame the victim. All I can say is: Have you ever attended a news years eve party? Went to bar or friends house and left? Lets say your COMPLETELY SOBER. Yet on the way home u are hit by a drunk driver. You live but ur hurt, paralyzed, emotionally scared for life of the horrific accident you had just experienced. What if this did happen to you and in this horrible incident the police look you and say sorry but there’s nothing we can do. You put yourself in the situation to be paralyzed by a drunk driver by driving down the road on news years eve. Well news to you it doesn’t happen like that. Although that is exactly how this young girl is being treated by you accusing her. She is a victim! Justice needs served!
I live in a smaller city about 20 miles south of Steubenville. I don’t want to minimize at all the sexual assault of the underage female, but there is one thing that keeps coming to mind.
I understand the football coach didn’t immediately bench those who participated because he “doesn’t do” the internet, and because those players said they didn’t do anything wrong. Ok, whatever, Coach. What should have raised alarm bells in his mind and could have been very easily proven is that his players were also consuming alcohol at parties. That alone would be grounds to be dismissed from athletic activities in my city, and the offenders would likely be forced into outpatient invention programs if they ever wanted to participate in sports again. See, we have a zero tolerance policy. I can’t believe that Steubenville doesn’t have such a policy as well.
So I really have no doubt that the coaching staff absolutely did turn a blind eye to all of it. And the school administration does….nothing.
Exactly, Dawn. Most schools such as yours have a strict code of conduct for their athletes that outlines expected standards of behavior and consequences if those standards are breeched. I’m pretty sure that people have recently tried getting their hands on the Code of Conduct for SHS, but they can’t. This is very odd. I think it’s because they either don’t have one or they have disregarded it for so long that they don’t want the public to see how many times they have turned a shy eye to bad behavior.
It is PAINFULLY obvious that Big Red is going to protect the “success” of their athletic programming by any means possible. Maybe they should exercize a little of that “integrity” that they like to talk about and just admit it.
Jane,
I don’t know how a school district could *not* have a code of conduct for students and athletics in place, considering that almost all schools in this area not only have zero tolerance policies but also have implemented mandatory drug testing of athletes. My kids’ schools send home the student handbook at the beginning of the school year and it encompasses anything to do with the school and sanctioned activities. Parents and student have to sign and return the last page signifying that we’ve read and understand it. My oldest son tells me that sometime after ’07 a separate code of conduct was implemented for high school athletics. I bet I could walk into the school anytime and get a copy.
I would love to have a copy of the Code of Conduct. I don’t understand why it isn’t on the school’s official site. I guess like Reno they also “don’t do the internet”. LEGAL DISCLAIMER: That was *sarcasm*.
i absolutely hate coverups==hate the corruptions-hate the good ole boys clubs—how do we let these people get this power..all accused are being made out to be “good boys” well characters well their little heads were doing the thinking for their big heads…and shame on the girl’s frieds for leaving her or not allowing her to go and for not ostrasizing her…she did not ask for this horrible treatment and my wish for her and her family is that they get justice served and that she can once again begin to hold her head up..she comes from a wonderful family and has lots of support from all over…
i have a couple quick questions..i read the whole ny times article and some things just dont add up. i spent hrs following this case on your site and was surprised by a couple things. Why when contacted by the ny times prinnie you didnt want to be interviewed. Why? When i was on here there was a woman named mammabear who claimed she was close to the victim and she was full of bad information after bad information. If all this is for the victim why the need to add more confusion with the lies. i agree with the need for justice for the victim and i hope it comes but i hope the conclusion i came up with was based on alot of mammbears comments.
I did not offer comment because of the lawsuit filed against me - that is why my attorney spoke on my behalf. I can’t answer for others obviously. Hope that helps.
i had some very strong feelings even moved to tears by mammabear and was shocked at what i read in the times article the things she claimed to know from the family simply wasnt true. The victim showered b4 going to the hospital the tox screening happened days after the rape. It made some sense to why some of these other criminals not been arrested. i understand why you didnt comment now. Its crazy how all of this has played out you really shed some light on all this for the whole country. Now this hacker came in. seems the law suit brought this all full circle KARMAS A BITCH. keep up your good work for this girl your truly making waves nationally
I said she was taken to the hospital and a rape kit was done. I said a tox screen was done, I gave no time table. It amazes me how things r twisted to point blame I am responsible for what I posted NOT for what you read. I am done defending myself. I wrote what was told to me. Was I there when she went to the hospital. NO. Never claimed to be. Did I ask her if she showered before going. No I did not. I gave you all the side of the story I had been told to be true and what you did with it after that was up to you. Really regretting every returning. Thank you all for everything you have done to help us. Goodnight Chicago!
I predicted this ” Opening Can Of Worms ” when Saltsman came out suing the bloggers. Now, even Hollyweird celebrities are getting involved. We NEED to mount pressure on Ohio Attorney General Mike Dewine and the Feds to investigate Hanlin, Abdalla, and Sacoccia. The ONLY way to clean Jefferson County is an enema from outside and total transparency. Until people vote OUT the Democratic Party which is no more than a criminal front for corruption, will we see the county rebound in jobs coming and not the reputation of being shaken down. Let’s start a petition to the Federal Prosecutor and Dewine NOW!
I am not victim blaming at all, but I hope that everyone on here learns a valuable lesson. This case is not open and shut. There are many twists and turns in this case and no one is 100% sure a rape actually took place. What comments these boys posted was no doubt morally wrong,but the incriminating evidence doesn’t seem to b there. Now we seem to have a group threatening to ruin the lives of the teachers,faculty,and coaches. Is that what justice is?
@ Don’tjudge … aka Mrs. Saltsman or one of the other football players’ moms or Reno Paterno.
The girl was raped
She was dragged around
Pissed and defecated on
Publiclly humiliated by many kids
There has been no justice. I hope you get yours.
George Hung
Yes, the girl was raped but now we are learning there was no actual penetration (but it is still rape what they did) and there should still be outrage. The defecation part?? Do you have proof of that or hersay?
What I have learned form the boys testimony so far is the details of the incident is not as salacious as the rumors where.
Don’t get me wrong,this was terrible what happened to the victim but there was also a ton of misleading info posted about this case.
Hate to break it to you but under the statute digital penetration is RAPE if there is not consent. Being unconscious voids consent.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907
State officials should put a fence around Jefferson County. The nepotism alone is enough to put the whole bunch in Federal Prison. Also need to clean house in the school system. Is it me or are the Democrats always the most corrupt…research Cuyahoga County and Commissioner Jimmy Dimora….I sense a trend….
The Jimmy Dimora trial had me in stitches! I couldn’t wait every day for the Puppet Court!! COMEDY GOLD!!!
It’s you, or rather it’s where you live. If it’s a Democrat-controlled area like Steubenville or Cleveland, the corruption is probably Democratic. In other places the Republicans control the graft.
In Illinois we’ve lived through successive corrupt regimes in the statehouse, with each party taking its turn-Blagojevich (D), Ryan (R), Kerner (D)…it’s a long list all the way back to Lennington Small (R) in the 20s, who was indicted for embezzlement, acquitted, then several of the jurors mysteriously found their way into state jobs.
Corruption’s a bipartisan sport.
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I have the actual interview recording from Canton Radio 92 FM with KnightSec per Big Red Rape.
https://soundcloud.com/q92/knightsec-talks-to-mo-on-q92#new-timed-comment-at-718470
Here is the actual video of the Young Turks Daily Show per Steubenville Big Red’s Alleged Rape Case. READ the comments & notice that most posters slam Big Red’s Coach Reno Saccaccia as an ” Enabler “, ” Douchebag” & worse!
Trailhiker, The girl was RAPED. She WAS penetrated. In the car when they were taking her from one party to the next, one of the boys had his fingers inside her while another one recorded them. I personally saw pictures from that night and unfortunatly, I dont ever think I will forget what I saw. One picture showed her covered in urine and semen. So this is not hear-say. This is the TRUTH!
This has happened here before and I’m not falling for it so please stop. Let’s stick to the facts that have been reported via the testimonies before Prinnie gets sued for crazies like yourself that want everyone to think they are an insider. A true insider wouldn’t be spilling such stuff on an online forum. Just sayin. Don’t try and lead the newbies here to that wacky place again. I will not stand for it, this is Prinnie’s house, go back and read the rules of posting.
TheyMustPay~ I hope that you have been in contact with the proper authorities. They should know about the pictures you describe as well as where those pictures originated.
TheyMustPay, your language and form in posting are very reminiscent of another poster who claimed to have first-hand information. Please offer proof of what you are stating as truth so no one here is mislead and you are not questioned.
I just wonder what would happen if the evidence proves she was conscious??? Because at this point everything is talk and people are getting out of control. They are threatening to ruin other people’s lives based on guesses of what happened.
She was still drunk and the boys were still wrong to take advantage of her.
Cody Saltsman was still wrong to revel in the activities of the night by posting what he did on his twitter account.
More people need to be charged with a crime, but Don’tjudge and people of his/her ilk who live in Steubenville will not allow justice to occur. (unless they think that Branko Brusick and his case represented justice……)
What a sick, little, football obsessed town Steubenville is.
I am all for high school sports, just not at the expense of morality, ethics, and LAWS!
I do not care about a town or a team… I’m just stating the obvious that none of this is fact based. Yes their tweets are beyond immoral and yes whoever this Cody is should not have uploaded any pictures. But as far as I can tell, that’s what he did. Not plan out an entire evening for some crazy revenge on his ex. If that is true, I stand amazed and dumbfounded at our youth…
Did you not see the photo or read the testimony by the three friends?
Yes I have, but I also know that the paper put in parts of the testimony that depicted what they wanted it to. Not the entire testimony and not everything they said. That’s why this entire case has turned me away from any news channel or paper. The lies and biases are indescribable. I will never look at news stories the same again.
Sometimes I’m at a loss to comment. This probably doesn’t need any, anyway. Who are the real villains?
http://www.hsconnect.com/page/content.detail/id/581573/Guest-column-National-coverage-o—.html
The New York Times! Of course.
I thought I couldn’t be surprised by anything any more, but I can’t believe the Herald Star ran this. I really can’t.
I read this earlier today.
Steubenville represents all that is wrong with small towns.
Now, there are plenty of small towns that can be fine, but Steubenville…….not one of them.
I was at a loss for words too, but the reporter wrote a book about the football program and is tight with Reno, so consider the source.
They have each other’s back through and through.
No additional charges will get filed, but they should be.
Soon, Cody Saltsman will be a hero again much like Branko Brusick (MMA fighter from STEUBENVILLE!)
As I read some of these comments from certain people be very respectful of this girl because I was the rape victim of five wheeling Jesuit players. you guys are adults this girl was raped and best friends of the alleged rapist said they video tapes the fingering and saw semen andpiss on her. and the pictures I’ve seen shown her lifeless almost body being dragged around. have respect please
Totally agree with your post. Sadly, we have learned that to the powerful in Steubenville, having a winning football team is more important than what happened to that poor girl on that night.
Disgraceful on the part of the football players, especially Cody Saltsman.
Disgraceful on the part of the adminstration, teachers, coaches, and parents who continue to cover it all up.
Anonymous, I am so sorry that you too have been sexually abused so horrific.. please take good care of YOU, and know that you are not alone. You are right, this young girl needs our respect and compassion.
Judy Jones, SNAP Midwest Associate Director, USA, 636-433-2511. [email protected],
“SNAP (The Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests) Despite the word priest, we have members of abuse by nuns, rabbis, bishops, teachers, ministers, in orphanages, summer camps, athletic programs, Boy Scouts, etc.
Kudos to the sports section of Herald Star. We now have to go to other papers to find that two of the witnesses in the rape case who testified to taking pics/vids are now wrestling. Makes that indefinite suspension worthless, imo.
http://newsandsentinel.com/page/content.detail/id/569073/South-wins-Wheeling-Park-Duals.html?nav=5063
Kudos to Steubenville’s adminstrators for taking a harsh line against rape and being accomplices to rape.
That’s the kind of backbone more schools need.
(sarcasm just in case it was missed)
Unbelievable…some suspension from activities huh? Guess there are exceptions for other sports teams besides football. No announcement regarding putting them back on the team?
Here’s the list of students and coach that Anonymous outed:
Robert Allan Kopras
Nate Hubbard
fairwoodking
James Parks
Michael Nodianos
Cody Saltsman
Jake Howarth
Jordan Banks
Ryan Vodich
John Linn
Dashon Redman
Anthony Craig,
Evan Westlake
Mark Cole
Malik Richmond
Trent Mays
Reno Saccoccia
http://radionewz.net/2012/12/steubenville-rape-case-anonymous-looking-into-prosecutors-son-possibly-filmed-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-11735
From talking to someone that works directly with the courts . they said that they will prob get off with NO jail time and just probation till 21 or home confinement. They were unable to find anything worth credibility on the phones. Before the story hit the news. 2-3 of the boys went to J.H. along with her son (allegedly) she gave them immunity from prosecution. (allegedly). she then stepped down. From what I gather if the feds get involved they can throw the immunity out the window. (this is pure speculation) …….(WINK).!!!
The feds can trump a state immunity deal and file federal charges.
I was sexually assaulted in Jefferson county 2 years and that court system is a joke. I was quite intoxicated the night it happened and I was 100% honest about it and even though I had 3 witnesses, they treated it like it was a joke. The prosecutor didn’t even call me to tell me my case was thrown out. Doesn’t help that the person who tried to rape me while I was passed out works for the nephew of the Jefferson county sheriff. I hope those boys get what they deserve but I speak from personal experience when I say that I wouldn’t be surprised if they get away with it.
Hopeful, I am so sorry and you are not alone. I am receiving emails daily from women/girls in that town who have been sexually assaulted and are afraid of going to LE.
Prinnie
I graduated 30 some years ago and these assaults were happening back then. I knew a girl who was raped by 2 athletes in my local Ohio valley High school and NOTHING was done was about it. We all knew what happened but it was her word against theirs at the time and the boys had family clout. Same old same old..sadly.
Hi hopeful I am one of the girls who talks to prinnie and I’m scared too. if you would like to talk to you. my email is [email protected] its tough and in situations like this all we can do is support eachother.
Hopeful, you are very brave, and we hope that you know that there is hope, help, and a chance for healing..
We are with you and any others who have been harmed so horrific.. Stay cool.and take good care of YOU…..ok?
Judy Jones, SNAP Midwest Associate Director, USA, 636-433-2511. [email protected],
“SNAP (The Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests) is the world’s oldest and largest support group for clergy abuse victims. SNAP was founded in 1988 and has more than 12,000 members. Despite the word priest in our title, we have members who were molested by religious figures of all denominations, including nuns, rabbis, bishops, teachers, Protestant ministers and increasingly, victims who were assaulted in a wide range of institutional settings like orphanages, summer camps, athletic programs, Boy Scouts, etc.”
Keep in mind… It is ok to be scared…. ! We are with you..
Judy Jones, SNAP
Thank you all for the kind words. I was terrified for a long time. All of our court documents had my address on them so I slept with my husbands gun on my headboard. This incident happened 8days before my wedding. I was having my bachlorette party at a campground in wellsville that I shared with my family for 20 years and spent 8 years there with my now husband. The campground is owned by Sam Abdalla Jr It was his camp manager that did that to me and even though Sam had received previous complaints about his man doing inappropriate sexual acts involving 2 14 year old girls, we were told to leave and banned.That man is still the manager there. I am no longer afraid of that man. I am angry and fearful for the families who camp and bring their children there. He spent a few hours in jail. I had nightmares for months. The way my case was treated sickens me. I believe there is a lot of corruption in Jefferson county and everyone willing to speak up for this girl and shine some light on the situation has my utmost respect. Its hard to hold your head up when someone knocks you down like that.
Hopeful, I am so very sorry to hear of you and Anonymous’s devastating experiences. My thoughts and prayers are to all of you and hopefully the attention on this case will save the lives of more victims. Lean on each other and hopefully together we can all put a stop to this not only within the community but everywhere that this is not okay. Thank you for being so brave to come on here and share your experiences. My heart goes out to all the victims past and present. This has to stop.
Immunity, once granted, can only be withdrawn under fairly specific circumstances, all of which involve some sort of dishonesty on the part of the witness. It can’t be withdrawn just because the prosecutor overstepped his/her authority.
It ought to be clear why this would be the case-the “oops, sorry, thanks for the testimony but we tricked you” ploy would be in the everyday arsenal of every dishonest prosecutor out there.
These deals typically only offer immunity as respects certain charges and a county prosecutor wouldn’t ordinarily offer immunity on charges falling outside his/her jurisdiction…but if it happened the feds couldn’t just throw that grant out the window.
Child porn is a federal offense and under oath 3 admitted to filming and photographing a nude minor and alleged sex acts upon her person.
YES… the new “Masha Law” is now helping victims who have been abuse by child porn… ! Hopefully the Feds will get involved in this horrific abuse.
The Feds are still silent on this. How do we put pressure on the local Federal Prosecutor?
Anonymous Hacker KnightSec post Steubenville Police Chief’s ” Birthday Suit ” picture on line. More to follow!
http://radionewz.net/2012/12/anonymous-knightsec-calls-for-dox-on-steubenville-city-police-chief/anonymous-to-dox-city-police-chief/
at theymustpay…you sound like you have a lot of information—what have you done about it are you man or woman enough to go forward with the truth or will you just hide on this blog i would hope to get this mess settled people would come forward i would want my child to come forward i would demand it i have been reading prinnie since the first occurances and am appalled at what everyone knows or seems to know please help this girl put this to rest help the police and the tell truth there is blame being thrown everywhere from partiers to friends to coaches SOMEONE OUT THERE KNOWS shame on you parents friends relatives who know and protect
Join us to put pressure on Ohio State Board of Education & the Ohio High School Athletic Association!
http://radionewz.net/2012/12/calls-mounting-to-contact-ohsaa-regarding-big-red/
Another one of Reno’s boys! Carries on tradition!
http://www.wtrf.com/story/19036646/stedmund-creech-ohio-valleys-most-wanted